muflax comments on Meditation, insight, and rationality. (Part 2 of 3) - Less Wrong

25 Post author: DavidM 04 May 2011 10:38PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 05 May 2011 12:09:27AM 2 points [-]

Dayum. And I thought I could add something of interest. ;) There are maybe a few nitpicks or "I'm pretty far along the way and stuck on some specific problem" kinda advice, but as you already mentioned Buddhaghosa and Mahasi Sayadaw, there ain't much left I could possibly add. And as fun as "my tradition is better than your tradition" is, I'll just fully endorse everything you said and confirm it.

Comment author: fiddlemath 05 May 2011 06:55:12AM 2 points [-]

I'll just fully endorse everything you said and confirm it.

In detail? You recognize these stages as having happened, and have had similar experiences? Would you describe anything differently?

Comment author: [deleted] 05 May 2011 03:30:53PM 2 points [-]

In general, yes. All the details I cared to investigate match up, though the exact extend of some of these stages (especially emotional side-effects) varies a bit. Personally, I'd prefer to use a somewhat different lingo and different organization of the map[1], but that's more of a different perspective than an actual disagreement.

Also, these stages matched the experiences for all the people I know well enough and who practiced similar techniques, regardless of what tradition they came from (be it Zen, idiosyncratic drug use or Carlos Castaneda's stuff). I only learned of the Theravada maps once I was already way in and past lots of the exciting stuff. I stick with them because they are so accurate.

[1] Specifically, I'd stress the fractal nature of the progression. There are many self-similar patterns within the stages. Also, I'd divide it more, but this is an introduction, not a comprehensive account.