Kevin comments on Meditation, insight, and rationality. (Part 2 of 3) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kevin 05 May 2011 09:53:02AM *  1 point [-]

although despite having meditated somewhat I've never experienced the "vibrations" you describe.

Weed (indica, mainly) brings about the experience much more simply than lots of meditation.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 05 May 2011 10:28:24AM 1 point [-]

Alas, I have little knowledge of how one obtains such things (and as I'm posting under my full real name, that should not be construed as a request for advice). I once had a space cookie in Amsterdam, but the effect was no different from a glass of beer.

Besides, beer puts me to sleep, and I gather that pot does the same. Caffeine seems a better fit with meditation -- the story has it that coffee was first used by monks to stay awake, a monk having noticed how goats chewing the leaves of a certain bush became more frisky. Certainly you'd get more vibrations from a quad espresso than a pint of Owd Roger.

Comment author: Peterdjones 05 May 2011 01:16:05PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Kevin 12 May 2011 01:01:13PM *  -1 points [-]

I am disappointed that an Amsterdam pot cookie had such a mild effect on you. Take two next time and you'll definitely notice the difference. A $7 brownie from one of my local medical marijuana dispensaries would likely have you laid out on your back incapable of functioning while going on a multi-hour psychedelic odyssey into your own psyche as well as experiencing such vibrations to a degree of strength on the same order as orgasm. You might rate it an event of profoundness on the order of a birth of a child.

A quad espresso does indeed induce more body altering sensations akin to weed than a pint of Owd Roger.

Comment author: DavidM 13 May 2011 05:05:10PM *  1 point [-]

Just have to interject here that there is no particular relationship between "vibrations" (my definition) and orgasm.

On the basis of Kevin's description, caffeine is probably more useful for meditation, since it doesn't produce a "multi-hour psychedelic odyssey into [one's] own psyche." Caffeine's effects on attention and wakefulness can be helpful, especially in light of the fact that it produces no overt kind of experience. Meditation cultivates attention and perception. What Kevin is describing sounds like it would get in the way!

"Vibrations" are not a particular kind of experience. "Vibrations" are the manner in which experience presents, independent of content, when attention and perception are cultivated in specific ways. Everything from orgasms to blank walls vibrate.

Comment author: wedrifid 12 May 2011 03:25:23PM 0 points [-]

I am disappointed that an Amsterdam pot cookie had such a mild effect on you. Take two next time and you'll definitely notice the difference. A $7 brownie from one of my local medical marijuana dispensaries would likely have you laid out on your back incapable of functioning while going on a multi-hour psychedelic odyssey into your own psyche as well as experiencing such vibrations to a degree of strength on the same order as orgasm. You might rate it an event of profoundness on the order of a birth of a child.

And if you take it frequently you also get to experience the perspective altering state of having approximately 10 less IQ points!

There are far better recreational drugs to play with. Perhaps the only advantage pot has is convenience.

Comment author: Kevin 12 May 2011 10:50:18PM 1 point [-]

And if you take it frequently you also get to experience the perspective altering state of having approximately 10 less IQ points!

That's just not strictly true.

Comment author: wedrifid 13 May 2011 05:04:32AM *  1 point [-]

That's just not strictly true.

It may have been 8 or 9. I rounded up. :)