Will_Sawin comments on Meditation, insight, and rationality. (Part 2 of 3) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Sawin 06 May 2011 01:03:37AM 0 points [-]

Didn't you say that enlightenment would fix problems like attachment? Couldn't that kind of result produce an empirical test?

Comment author: DavidM 06 May 2011 04:08:03AM 2 points [-]

"Attachment" has a specific nonstandard meaning in Buddhist-associated thinking, and I realized after writing Part 1 that it would have been better to omit the word altogether rather than try to explain it. So I would prefer to discuss the testable aspects of enlightenment without talking about attachment.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 May 2011 01:23:05AM *  0 points [-]

Didn't you say that enlightenment would fix problems like attachment? Couldn't that kind of result produce an empirical test?

Certainly. And I would bet on a positive result at reasonable odds. Personal experience and what I know of theory supports it rather strongly. (Where 'fix' is taken to mean 'tend to cause some improvement' in.)

Comment author: Will_Sawin 06 May 2011 03:16:20PM 0 points [-]

Could someone elaborate on what the correct parameters of the empirical test would be?

Comment author: wedrifid 06 May 2011 04:15:36PM *  0 points [-]

Could someone elaborate on what the correct parameters of the empirical test would be?

Identify a stimulus that prompts the undesired attachment response. Most simply talking about a circumstance where the incongruence between the desired outcome and the actual outcome causes emotional distress of some kind.

Then, as a primitive metric you could wire them and measure their pulse, blood pressure and skin conductivity. Do this before and after a few weeks of meditation. Contrast with a control group that does nothing and another that does an alternative form of personal development.

(That's just what I thought of in the time it took me to type as someone with absolutely no qualification for doing that sort of study. If I knew what I was doing and had time to make a plan and new what the typical protocol in this kind of situation was I would likely do something entirely different.)