I meant the second part: "but when you really drill down there are only beliefs that predict my experience more reliably or less reliably" How do you know that?

That's what I was responding to.

It is not the case that all beliefs can do is predict experience based on existing preferences. Beliefs can also set and modify preferences. I have given that counterargument several times.

Z org: And what pan-galactic value are your objective values? Pan-galactic value is the ultimate value, dontcha know.

I think moral values are ultimate because I can;t think of a valid argument of the form "I should do <immoral thing> because <excuse>". Please give an example of a pangalactic value that can be substituted for ,<excuse>

You just eliminated it: If to assert P is to assert "P is true," then to assert "P is true" is to assert P. We could go back and forth like this for hours.

Yeah,. but it sitll comes back to truth. If I tell you it will increase your happiness to hit yourself on the head with a hammer, your response is going to have to amount to "no, that's not true".

Dictionary says, [objective[ "Not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased."

How can a value be objective?

By being (relatively) uninfluenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased.

Especially since a value is a personal feeling.

You haven't remotely established that as an identity. It is true that some people some of the time arrive at values through feelings. Others arrive at them (or revise them) through facts and thinking.

you are defining "value" differently, how?

"Values can be defined as broad preferences concerning appropriate courses of action or outcomes"