DSimon comments on Experiment Idea Thread - Spring 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Perplexed 07 May 2011 05:11:52PM 3 points [-]
Some people are better at all types of programming than are lesser mortals

Are you making that claim, or suggesting that this is what the 10x thesis means?

Both.

(Dijkstra once claimed that "the use of COBOL cripples the mind". If true, it would follow that someone who is a great COBOL programmer would be a poor programmer in other languages.)

Amusingly, that does not follow. A great COBOL programmer completes his COBOL tasks in 1/10 the time of lesser folk, and hence becomes 1/10 as crippled.

you seem to be assuming ...

Where is that implied in what I wrote above?

It appears that I somehow misinterpreted your point and thereby somehow offended you. That was not my intention.

You begin by mentioning the problem of testing the 10x hypothesis, and then switched to the problem of trying to separate out "how variable the time required to complete a task is intrinsically". That is an odd problem to focus on, and my intuition tells me that it is best approached by identifying that variance as a residual rather than by inventing an ideal thought experiments that measure it directly. But if someone else has better ideas, that is great.

Comment author: DSimon 07 May 2011 11:33:24PM 1 point [-]

A great COBOL programmer completes his COBOL tasks in 1/10 the time of lesser folk, and hence becomes 1/10 as crippled.

That has unfortunately not been my experience with similarly crippling languages. A great programmer finishes their crippling-language tasks much quicker than a poor programmer... and their reward is lots lots more tasks in the crippling language. :-\

Comment author: wedrifid 08 May 2011 02:35:09AM 2 points [-]

That has unfortunately not been my experience with similarly crippling languages. A great programmer finishes their crippling-language tasks much quicker than a poor programmer... and their reward is lots lots more tasks in the crippling language

I've seen this too - if something sucks it can be a good idea to make sure you appear to suck at it!

Comment author: DSimon 09 May 2011 07:25:41PM *  0 points [-]