TheOtherDave comments on The 5-Second Level - Less Wrong

111 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 07 May 2011 04:51AM

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Comment author: Swimmer963 07 May 2011 08:19:06PM 3 points [-]

You don't need to be angry to hit someone, or to spread gossip, or to otherwise retaliate against them.

If you're not angry, what would motivate you to do any of those things? If someone injures me in some way or takes something that I wanted, usually neither hitting them nor spreading gossip about them will in any way help me repair my injury or get back what they took from me. So I don't. Unless I'm angry, in which case it kind of just happens, and then I regret it because it usually makes the situation worse.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 May 2011 09:11:04PM 2 points [-]

I might hit someone because they're pointing a gun at me and I believe hitting them is the most efficient way to disarm them. I might hit someone because they did something dangerous and I believe hitting them is the most efficient way to condition them out of that behavior. I might spread gossip about them because they are using their social status in dangerous ways and I believe gossiping about them is the best available way of reducing their status.

None of those cases require anger, and they might even make the situation better. (Or they might not.)

Or, less nobly, I might hit someone because they have $100 I want, and I think that's the most efficient way to rob them. I might spread gossip about them because we're both up for the same promotion and I want to reduce their chance of getting it.

None of those cases require anger, either. (And, hey, they might make the situation better, too. Or they might not.)

Comment author: Swimmer963 08 May 2011 01:00:14AM 2 points [-]

I suppose the context of my comment was limited to a) me personally (I don't have any desire to steal money or reduce other people's chances of promotion) and b) to the situations I have encountered in the past (no guns or danger involved). Your points are very valid though.