mendel comments on The 5-Second Level - Less Wrong

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Comment author: mendel 08 May 2011 08:52:39PM 3 points [-]

The problem with the downvote is that it mixes the messages "I don't agree" with "I don't think others should see this". There is no way to say "I don't agree, but that post was worth thinking about", is there? Short of posting a comment of your own, that is.

Comment author: lessdazed 09 May 2011 02:35:31AM 2 points [-]

I think there is a positive outcome from the system as it is, at least for sufficiently optimistic people. The feature is that it should be obvious that downvoting is mixed with those and other things, which helps me not take anything personally.

Downvotes could be anything, and individuals have different criteria for voting, and as I am inclined to take things personally, this obviousness helps me. If I knew 50% of downvotes meant "I think the speaker is a bad person", every downvote might make me feel bad. As downvotes currently could mean so many things, I am able to shrug them off. They could currently mean: the speaker is bad, the comment is bad, I disagree with the comment, I expect better from this speaker, it's not fair/useful for this comment to be voted so highly rated compared to a similar adjacent comment that I would rather people read instead/I would like to promote as the communal norm, etc.

If one has an outlook that is pessimistic in a particular way, any mixing of single messages to multiple meanings will cause one to overly react as if the worst meaning is intended by a message, and this sort of person would be most helped by ensuring each message has only one meaning.

Comment author: Swimmer963 08 May 2011 08:54:33PM 3 points [-]

Short of posting a comment of your own, that is.

That's exactly what I do. I try to downvote comments based on how they're written (if they're rude or don't make sense, I downvote them) instead of what they're written about. (Though I may upvote comments based on agreeing with the content.)

Comment author: wedrifid 08 May 2011 11:31:12PM 0 points [-]

That's exactly what I do. I try to downvote comments based on how they're written (if they're rude or don't make sense, I downvote them) instead of what they're written about. (Though I may upvote comments based on agreeing with the content.)

That's exactly what I do too. (Although my downvote threshold is likely a tad more sensitive. :P)

Comment author: Swimmer963 09 May 2011 12:26:05AM 0 points [-]

(Although my downvote threshold is likely a tad more sensitive.

Likely. Mine will probably become more sensitive with time.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 08 May 2011 08:55:38PM 2 points [-]

I've been known to upvote in such cases, if the post is otherwise neutral-or-better. I like to see things here that are worth thinking about.