NancyLebovitz comments on Holy Books (Or Rationalist Sequences) Don’t Implement Themselves - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 May 2011 02:59:51PM 0 points [-]

How much of what you don't like about LDS is entangled with the organizational structure?

I don't have a strong answer, just some concerns.

It may be that a lot of what's wrong there is having a hard boundary between members and non-members. If so, rationalists may be able to beat that one by wanting people to be more rational, though there do seem to be some firm lines in this community, like being obligated to be a materialist.

I don't want to have to remember people and feel sorry that they're part of a malignant memeplex, and that I can't do anything to help them.

You may be stuck with that one, especially in regards to cryonics, at least in the sense that you can't do much to help them.

Comment author: Swimmer963 10 May 2011 03:09:56PM 0 points [-]

If so, rationalists may be able to beat that one by wanting people to be more rational, though there do seem to be some firm lines in this community, like being obligated to be a materialist.

I'm not sure what you mean by the word "materialist" in this context. Could you explain?

Comment author: Barry_Cotter 10 May 2011 03:40:23PM *  0 points [-]

Materialist as in reductionist, as in Thou Art Physics not as in being materialistic.

Comment author: Swimmer963 10 May 2011 04:01:21PM 0 points [-]

Ok (sigh of relief). That's what I thought but I'm not used to seeing the word used to mean 'reductionist'.

Comment author: saturn 10 May 2011 06:25:15PM *  2 points [-]

Not exactly. Strange as it sounds, there are non-reductive materialist philosophers.

Comment author: DSimon 10 May 2011 07:06:38PM *  1 point [-]

We are all reductionist girls*, living in a reductionist world.

* For a sufficiently broad value of "girls", or a sufficiently narrow value of "all".

Comment author: Cayenne 10 May 2011 03:09:32PM 0 points [-]

It is hard to say.

I have no doubt that rationalists will prevail eventually, and I wish luck to the ones that try.

Edit - please disregard this post