Peterdjones comments on Seeing Red: Dissolving Mary's Room and Qualia - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JamesAndrix 27 May 2011 03:16:11AM 2 points [-]

Not being able to make the neurons fire doesn't mean you don't know how it would feel if they did.

I hate this whole scenario for this kind of "This knowledge is a given but wait no it is not." kind of thinking.

Whether or not all the physical knowledge is enough to know qualia is the question and as such it should not be answered in the conclusion of a hypothetical story, and then taken as evidence.

Comment author: Peterdjones 31 May 2011 07:44:49PM 0 points [-]

Not being able to make the neurons fire doesn't mean you don't know how it would feel if they did.

OK. Do you know that? Does Mary?

Comment author: JamesAndrix 31 May 2011 10:32:35PM *  0 points [-]

Well, through seeing red, yes ;-)

Through study, no. I think the knowledge postulated is beyond what we currently have, and must include how the algorithm feels from the inside. (edit: Mary does know through study.)