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Comment author: Kevin 14 May 2011 02:54:22AM -1 points [-]

What's the rational reason not to be vulnerable to Pascal's Mugging?

Roughly the same reason to one box on Newcomb's Problem -- rationalists win.

I ask because I hypothesize that a rational theist/religious person almost definitely has to be vulnerable to Pascal's Mugging.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 14 May 2011 03:11:37AM *  2 points [-]

I ask because I hypothesize that a rational theist/religious person almost definitely has to be vulnerable to Pascal's Mugging.

I don't see why they'd be any more vulnerable then a rationalist atheist.

Keep in mind we don't even know how to describe a rational agent that's not vulnerable to Pascal's mugging.

The way we currently get around this problem is by having a rule that temporarily suspends our decision theory when we pattern match the situation to resemble Pascal's mugging.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 16 May 2011 11:29:45AM *  1 point [-]

I ask because I hypothesize that a rational theist/religious person almost definitely has to be vulnerable to Pascal's Mugging.

A weird conclusion. I'd think that most theists would be likely to believe that such a huge disutility couldn't be allowed (by God) to exist; atleast not on the basis of some superdimensional prankster asking you for 5 dollars.

Comment author: CuSithBell 14 May 2011 02:46:13PM 0 points [-]

What's the rational reason not to be vulnerable to Pascal's Mugging?

Roughly the same reason to one box on Newcomb's Problem -- rationalists win.

I thought the whole problem with Pascal's Mugging is that being mugged has a higher expected value - and so those who get mugged "win" more. Obviously we're not precise enough to be vulnerable to it, but the hypothetical super-AI could be.

The reason Pascal's Mugging is a challenge is that expected utility calculations say to get mugged, but really strong intuitions say not to.