For what its worth, I personally haven't touched your karma on this site one way or the other.
Okay then, sorry for thinking it was you. I mostly get upset when that happens because whoever did it doesn't take the time to tell me why I am wrong. This isn't the first time it has happened.
I think you want to engage me in a discussion of the particulars of your specific faith.
Given the assumption that I had made and your other comments on the subject I was looking for a chance to explain myself and to force you to defend your claims against me (as I saw it) and my faith. If you claim it to be internally inconsistent then prove it to be, if it isn't internally inconsistent then don't claim it is.
Further, I do enjoy debating with people about the subject but also know it to be fairly pointless. For me, it is fun and when I have had a rough week or something surprisingly relaxing. I should clarify that debating with people that know what and why they believe in something is fun, most people don't and that is just frustrating.
If you aren't attacking me in specific and don't enjoy such discussions then the only thing you have said that I would like explained is the internal inconsistency you see.
Unless you have some real smoking gun, conclusively demonstrating the veracity of some claimed prophet
What would count as a real smoking gun, for you?
Hello fellow Less Wrongians!
Given your comments on my organizing communities series, I get the feeling that many of you are wondering why:
I'm happy to hold discussions about any of these questions or related ones. However, I haven't responded to many comments on the main series of posts because:
I wanted to created this thread as a center for questions you might have about my faith. This is not an attempt to preach -- I would be perfectly happy not having a discussion purely about religion at all. But since there seem to be many comments, well, fire away.
Some basic facts: I am a student at Stanford. I am 22. I converted to Mormonism when I was 19. I used to be atheist/agnostic. I am very much a believer, not just in it for the social perks.
Well, as it is written, AMA (= Ask Me Anything)
(Thanks Kevin for the suggestion.)
Edit: Wow, there are a lot of comments. This has been a helpful chance to clarify my thinking. I hope you have learned something useful -- perhaps using the question is 'Is there anything surprising here that he said?'.
Edit 2: Here are some answers to repeated questions. Again, this really helped me distill and clarify myself and I've enjoyed the discussion.
Why do you believe? It's a combination of
I would estimate that before this all happened, my odds ratio was about 2000:1, and now it's about 1:10. I would ballpark the odds ratios of each of the above 3 events as ~12.5:1, ~25:1, and ~62.5:1. (I was considering likelihood but didn't think in that precise of terms at the time, so any concretization is open to charges of ex post facto. And these are still ballparks.)
There are lots of arguments against Mormonism on factual and historical grounds; there are also counterarguments which I feel pretty much balance them out. (The feeling of balancing each other out was contemporaneous.)
What things could make you consider leaving the faith?
Why do you think your conversion story is disappointing to many of us?
Several possible reasons:
[1] Specifically: