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I don't understand the transition of this conversation to consciousness, or what motivates the particular "verbal abilities" reference you've made. What do you mean by "in this line of thinking"? (I didn't really follow the posts.)
(With consciousness, I too prefer Drescher's unpacking, where the word refers to observation of the process of thinking (which is part of the thinking and can in turn be observed).)
I was referring to orthonormal's unpacking of consciousness. (If people comment under posts that they have not read, could they please say so right away, instead of waiting until confusion arises? Sorry, but I'm a bit frustrated that both you and my other correspondent in this thread didn't read the posts and failed to say so earlier.)
Unfortunately, that also does not seem to help with understanding pain as a moral disvalue, since it's unclear why we should assign special moral status to minds that can observe their own thinking.
My previous comment didn't depend on knowledge of the post, while this one probably did, and that is where I noted that I didn't follow the post.