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Comment author: David_Gerard 16 May 2011 09:33:56PM *  0 points [-]

taxation of real estate or otherwise conspicuous property (which, incidentally, I find to be superior forms of taxation anyway)

What are the examples you're thinking of of countries who get the major, or even a substantial, proportion of general revenue from land taxes rather than income and/or sales tax?

Comment author: playtherapist 17 May 2011 01:14:13AM 5 points [-]

It's a state, not a country, obviously- but until recently New Hampshire had not sale or income tax. The government was funded almost exclusively by real estate taxes and government run liquor stores.

Comment author: SilasBarta 16 May 2011 10:25:06PM *  1 point [-]

None, but it becomes a bigger fraction as transactions become easier to hide. This phenomenon is mentioned in an article by Paul Birch and my nemesis. (Edit: actually, that article doubles as a warning of how governments are likely to respond to the difficulty of monitoring transactions, and it's neither pleasant, nor the kind that brings about revolutionary change.)

The reasons I had for deeming it superior are that:

  • It's more transparent and hard to privately evade.
  • It doesn't require extensive monitoring of all the transactions in the economy.
  • It doesn't punish people for engaging in Pareto-optimal transactions (working for someone, buying something, etc.)
Comment author: Matt_Simpson 17 May 2011 07:02:18AM -1 points [-]

That's one thing that (i think) most economists do agree on: the first best tax scheme is a land tax scheme - on the value of the land, not the value added (by building houses, apartment buildings, or skyscrapers).

This is politically infeasible and measuring the value added is difficult, so the second best most economists push for (i think) is a sales tax which at least doesn't discourage productive behavior.

The income tax, on the other hand, is just a terrible idea.

Comment author: blogospheroid 18 May 2011 09:44:27AM 0 points [-]

Many economists do support the land tax, but think it is too low to support government functions. I think a better criteria is - restrict the government only to the extent that you can support with a land tax, since a land tax is basically the approrpriation of a positive externality(civilization all around you)

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 18 May 2011 03:13:09PM 0 points [-]

Many economists do support the land tax, but think it is too low to support government functions.

Why can't the rate just be set higher?

Comment author: blogospheroid 19 May 2011 04:32:24AM 0 points [-]

When the tax approaches the rent of the property, the capitalised land value drops to zero. If the land tax is based on percentages, you'll have the rate escalating way beyond 100%. No problem for homo economicus, but most real world people would be shocked by seeing property tax rates of 100000%.

Comment author: David_Gerard 17 May 2011 01:09:07PM -1 points [-]

The income tax, on the other hand, is just a terrible idea.

Is this your statement or that of economists? (I ask because the rest of your post is about what economists say.)

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 17 May 2011 04:00:07PM 0 points [-]

Both, though like the other statements about what most economists think, I'll note that I'm not super-certain.