lavalamp comments on Spend Money on Ergonomics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 23 December 2011 03:11:55PM 1 point [-]

Also, DVORAK is strictly better than QWERTY, ignoring the inconvenience of being forced to switch back and forth between keysets.

And carpalx is strictly better than DVORAK. It even has an option to keep zxcv in place, which makes adoption that much easier (as those are the most common shortcut keys).

I'm 5' 11'' and I just can't quite fit in my Hyundai Elantra. No matter how I adjust the seat, I can't get in a perfectly ergonomic driving position.

This surprises me, as I am 6'0" and my dad is ~6'2" and we both enjoy our Elantras. Is the issue leg room, height, wheel position, something else? Could you fix it by adding a cushion to the chair (cheaper than replacing the car, btw :P)?

Whatever slight advantage it might offer is offset by the risk that your arms are between the airbag and your body during a crash.

These are the sorts of comments that could use a citation, or at least a mention of the tradeoff involved.

Comment author: lavalamp 23 December 2011 03:42:05PM 2 points [-]

And carpalx is strictly better than DVORAK...

I think the take home lesson from that site is that QWERTY is horrible and almost everything else is a drastic improvement...

Comment author: bogdanb 27 December 2011 02:45:47AM *  2 points [-]

Don’t forget the secret lesson: using anything but QWERTY is rare, though users of keyboards are not, so it’s a high-visibility status statement. Especially if you do move your key caps, then pretty much nobody (not in the select few who can find the relevant settings quickly) can use your computer easily. It’s an excellent excuse not to cede the keyboard ;-)

Comment author: Vaniver 23 December 2011 04:48:03PM 1 point [-]

I think the take home lesson from that site is that QWERTY is horrible and almost everything else is a drastic improvement...

QWERTY is closer to optimal than it is to the worst layout, so I'm not sure that's the case. Even so, switching to DVORAK instead of COLEMAK or QGMLWY is just silly as DVORAK is worse and harder to learn.

Comment author: lavalamp 23 December 2011 05:06:11PM 1 point [-]

The reference class I had in mind was "keyboards intelligently designed for use by humans", not "random keyboard layouts" :)

But yeah, obviously if you're going to learn a new layout, learn the best one available. I just looked it up; Colemak was released in 2006 (http://www.colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#What_is_Colemak.3F). It didn't exist when I learned dvorak, which makes me feel better about lavalamp_2001's research skills.

My perception is that Colemak and QGMLWY aren't so much better than dvorak as to make it worth the effort for me to switch again.

Comment author: wedrifid 23 December 2011 05:15:56PM 1 point [-]

My perception is that Colemak and QGMLWY aren't so much better than dvorak as to make it worth the effort for me to switch again.

Sounds right to me. The returns are far too diminished!