shminux comments on Spend Money on Ergonomics - Less Wrong

43 Post author: Kevin 23 December 2011 06:40AM

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Comment author: shminux 23 December 2011 08:57:46PM *  1 point [-]

This post is the typical mind fallacy (well, typical body fallacy, as the case may be) running rampant. Almost all advice you state as unconditionally useful works for some, but does not work for others.

QWERTY keyboard may or may not be an issue, depending on the person. Same with chairs, desks, mattresses, bare feet, Mac vs PC (OK, you didn't discuss that one, but it felt like you did), fidgeting, car[seat] choice...

No one ever regrets improving their ergonomic well-being.

But quite a few find that it was not worth the price and did not live up to the expectations.

At least put a general disclaimer, like "Your Mileage May Vary".

Comment author: Kevin 23 December 2011 09:22:08PM *  3 points [-]

No, this is statistically significant typical body mechanics. Subjective reporting of effects may vary.

Comment author: Arran_Stirton 23 December 2011 11:08:00PM 2 points [-]

Do you have any data to back this up? (Be it second hand or third hand)

For the record I'm not actually against improving ergonomic well-being, I'm just interested in the statistical significance. Mostly so I can estimate if it's worth implementing certain things at the point in time, or if the disruption caused won’t be sufficiently counterbalanced by the benefits.

Also the DVORAK is not necessarily a better layout in practical terms. While for pure typing it surely is a great improvement upon the efficiency of the QWERTY keyboard it has several potentially crippling disadvantages. To start with standard keyboard shortcuts like ctrl-c and ctrl-v become harder to use. And actually learning to type on a different keyboard layout at the same speed as previously is a substantial investment in time. Plus there's the incompatibility with control systems based on the QWERTY keyboard (this is most noticeable in games where the WASD keys often replace the arrow keys). I'm not sure the increase in performance really warrants such a disruption.

Comment author: dlthomas 23 December 2011 11:12:46PM 2 points [-]

(this is most noticeable in games where the WASD keys often replace the arrow keys).

I expect it would be just as noticeable in games where HJKL keys replace the arrow keys...

Comment author: Arran_Stirton 23 December 2011 11:36:27PM 0 points [-]

Touché

Perhaps I should have said "one of the most common occurrences of this would be," or something instead.

Comment author: dlthomas 23 December 2011 11:37:25PM *  2 points [-]

But... then I wouldn't have had the chance to signal around the fact that I play obscure games!

Comment author: Arran_Stirton 23 December 2011 11:43:10PM 3 points [-]

True! And that would be a tragedy.

Comment author: Kevin 24 December 2011 08:53:01PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: lukeprog 25 December 2011 12:05:03AM 7 points [-]

Luckily, some website called Common Sense Atheism made it available.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 26 December 2011 05:12:12AM *  0 points [-]

As far as I can tell, that article says that there have been no studies of the ergonomics of alternative layouts, in contrast to hardware changes, which are well-supported. It does say that dvorak and others were designed by people who knew about ergonomics.