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33 Post author: TimFreeman 19 May 2011 05:09PM

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Comment author: Perplexed 19 May 2011 07:25:37PM 5 points [-]

True enough. My main objection to calling my ice cream negotiating tactic 'extortion' is that I really don't like the "just say 'No' to extortion" heuristic. I see no way of definitionally distinguishing extortion from other, less objectionable negotiating stances. Nash's 1953 cooperative game theory model suggests that it is rational to yield to credible threats. I.e. saying 'no' to extortion doesn't win! An AI that begins with the "just say no" heuristic will self-modify to one that dispenses with that heuristic.

Comment author: timtyler 20 May 2011 05:21:32PM 2 points [-]

I see no way of definitionally distinguishing extortion from other, less objectionable negotiating stances.

Well, a simple way would be to use the legal definition of extortion. That should at least help prevent house fires, kidnapping, broken windows and violence.

...but a better definition should not be too difficult - for instance: the set of "offers" which you would rather not be presented with.