Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Can Humanism Match Religion's Output? - Less Wrong

45 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 27 March 2009 11:32AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 27 March 2009 09:55:02PM 9 points [-]

That's the way they do it. I'm asking if there's a different way to do it.

Point A: A lot of rationalists think wistfully that it would be a good thing if X got done.

Point B: X gets done.

How do you get from Point A to Point B?

Comment author: pjeby 27 March 2009 10:01:21PM 6 points [-]

Step 1. Some one person decides they will do whatever it takes to ensure that X will be done (including convincing others to assist).

Step 2. ???

Step 3. Profit! ...uh, utility. ;-)

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 19 September 2011 04:31:51PM *  0 points [-]

I think an important part would be separating the "decision phase" from the "action phase".

In the decision phase, it is OK to speak whether it is a good idea or not, and even if it seems like a good idea, whether you expect yourself to do it or not. If almost everyone agrees that it is a good idea, and if enough people declare they would do it, the community consensus is published and we move to the action phase.

In the action phase, the decision is already made. People are encouraged to report "yes, I did it" and receive some special "action karma". Action karma would be a system for immaterial rewards to LW members. It is only possible to achieve action karma by doing things that have reached community consensus. Action karma is remembered forever.

The essence of my proposal is that we should have some "action karma", and the only way to reach it would be to do clearly defined goals. The goals must be declared as important, desirable and realistic by rationalist community by some mechanism that makes a yes-or-no decision.