wedrifid comments on The 48 Rules of Power; Viable? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 27 May 2011 01:12:36PM 1 point [-]

If everyone followed the rules of this book, would we ever get anything done?

I would expect a massive increase in productivity (among people local in personality space). In part due to working around the worst of why our kind can't cooperate.

So should these social, anti-productive tendencies, be fought with education, or should they be embraced?

Education is definitely not the right term for what you describe. At least, not without enclosing the description in quotation marks.

Comment author: Raw_Power 27 May 2011 07:19:55PM *  0 points [-]

(among people local in personality space)

? You mean people with similar personalities?

I thought education was the process of formatting humans for the sake of making them functional in a certain way for the sake of fitting into and/or exploiting the shit out of a target social system? That includes morals, taste, gender identity and other forms of internalized categories, a selection of acceptable life goals, a variety of languages, verbal and non-verbal, and of course the cornerstones of the imperfect copy of the universe we carry on our head and the skills to simulate scenarios with it.

Comment author: Barry_Cotter 28 May 2011 02:30:20PM 0 points [-]

I'm not wedrifid.

(among people local in personality space)

? You mean people with similar personalities?

Idealistic nerds with akrasia issues, seeing as we are hugely over-represented here in comparision to our share of the population.

As to education, in theory it's about making people more knowledgeable, possibly more capable. What you describe is indoctrination/socialisation, and the reason it'd be "education" and not education is because "education" doesn't make someone an all round more capable person, better able to get what they want, it makes them a more valuable, useful puppet.

Education makes self-actualisation easier, "education" may sometimes have that happen as a side effect.

Comment author: Raw_Power 29 May 2011 12:28:36AM 0 points [-]

Hm. I had always assumed Education was the social equivalent of "Boot Camp", while I refer to the actual teachings of skills and theoretical knowledge as Instruction.

According to etymology both terms are vague enough that they could work. Instruction would be like "inbuilding" and "education" would be... "drawing out"?

Words are weird. They start as silly metaphors and then get so twisted and dried up in the sands of time we don't even know what they feel like anymore.

That was needlessly hammy.