Raw_Power comments on The 48 Rules of Power; Viable? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raw_Power 27 May 2011 07:51:20PM 2 points [-]

Your job is to make them look good in front of their superiors and peers in way that they feel inclined to reward you for. Outshining them is seldom the optimal way to do this.

According to some people I know, you should also tell their bosses how much your bosses suck and how much get in the way of your work and how in spite of that your work is the awesomest and you should definitely be promoted to their level or over it.

To which I answered: "But then the climate at work must suck, everyone will hate each other! Plus, if it's the Standard Operating Procedure on how to treat a boss, how come anyone wants to be boss at all?

To which they answered: "I know, but it's stablized this way, and there doesn't seem to be the incentive or impulse to change that".

Then I just shut up and put on a raeg face.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 May 2011 07:28:21AM 2 points [-]

I have never actually seen this done in 5 years of experience in management. Yes, you occasionally signal this very subtly to your boss's boss (mostly happens when you need to extricate yourself from some fix). But mostly you network with and depend on your boss simply because he has a lot more ways and opportunities of representing your work as stupid to his boss than you ever will of doing that to him.

I worked in a manufacturing set up though, where the number of managers in the whole country was about 200 and most of them, including the top management, knew you at least by name. I guess it could be different in a more competitive new economy/banking sort of workplace or a larger organization.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 May 2011 08:24:34PM 1 point [-]

According to some people I know, you should also tell their bosses how much your bosses suck and how much get in the way of your work and how in spite of that your work is the awesomest and you should definitely be promoted to their level or over it.

I advise people against this tactic. Because there is a chance that it'll work. Then you end up in middle management!

Comment author: Raw_Power 28 May 2011 06:38:56AM 0 points [-]

Isn't that the only way to get to upper management?