MichaelAnissimov comments on The Landmark Forum — a rationalist's first impression - Less Wrong

11 Post author: Nisan 01 June 2011 03:55PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (44)

You are viewing a single comment's thread.

Comment author: MichaelAnissimov 01 June 2011 08:06:23PM 1 point [-]

I don't understand why the "Dark Arts" (what a silly term, really) are something we should "beware".

From what I've heard from others, Landmark Forum is essentially a racket designed to pump money out of the naive. Haven't confirmed it myself though.

Comment author: Manfred 01 June 2011 09:51:11PM 14 points [-]

I suppose the idea behind "beware, dark arts" is that rackets don't just pump money out of the naive, but also out of the clever and the wise with some probability. So even if you're not naive, being forewarned is still a good idea.

Comment author: MichaelAnissimov 02 June 2011 08:30:22AM 6 points [-]

That's true, I just think that using the neologism "dark arts" in this case does not make the explanation clearer to the ear; it just obfuscates it. Why not just say that "this is a racket that can fool some people who aren't total idiots"? I'm just expressing my opinion here -- the quibble is not really a matter of right and wrong, just explanatory taste. I appreciate the overall review of Landmark, I'm just reacting to the use of the term "dark arts".

Comment author: ciphergoth 02 June 2011 09:30:52AM 1 point [-]

I'd like to see use of this term come to an end.

Comment author: Leonhart 07 June 2011 12:28:28PM 12 points [-]

Strongly disagree. It's a short, sharp, compact expression meaning "These dudes are going to try and pull all the shit I read about in Cialdini; constant vigilance." I've found it very useful to prime myself into an appropriate state of mind. And I need something like that, because I am a doormat and a very, very, very easy sell.

Comment author: Nisan 02 June 2011 01:24:55AM 17 points [-]

The Dark Arts warning stands for "This organization employs salesmanship tactics such as framing, recruiting your friends as salespeople, and exploiting the affect heuristic. You could end up in a cognitive state where you think you are making a rational purchasing decision, but in fact are making a biased purchasing decision. Being aware of this fact, and using specific countermeasures, can protect you from such a situation."