Jayson_Virissimo comments on Rationality Quotes: June 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 13 June 2011 12:35:52AM *  3 points [-]

This strikes me as wrong. The proper work of philosophers and computer scientists seem like they have very little overlap. Yes, philosophers often mistakenly do computer science work, but that is irrelevant.

The quote isn't talking about philosophy in general, but epistemology specifically. If you take naturalized epistemology seriously (which LessWrongers do), then it seems to follow quite easily that neuroscientists and AI researchers are relatively more important to the future of epistemology than philosophers (remember that most branches of modern science were once a part of philosophy, but later broke off and developed their own class of domain specialists).

is there a reason I should want to read an earlier, less developed version of LessWrong, by someone who is not a consequentialist, when I could just read LessWrong?

One reason to read it would be to provide ourselves with some perspective on how LessWrongism fits into the larger Western intellectual tradition. Nozick is much better about showing how his ideas are related to those of other thinkers than the contributors to Less Wrong are (we share much more in common with Wittgenstein, Quine, Hempel, and Bridgeman than the impression you would get from reading the Sequences). Having this perspective should increase our ability to communicate effectively with other intellectual communities.

His being or not being a consequentialist doesn't seem to have very much to do with the validity of his work in epistemology, decision theory, philosophy of science, or metaphysics. Also, his ethical theory doesn't really fit neatly into the deontological/consequentialism dichotomy anyway. Arguably his ethics/political theory amounts to consequentialism with "side-constraints" (that can even be violated in extreme circumstances). It doesn't seem to be any less consequentislist than, say, rule-utilitarianism.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2011 01:11:07AM 0 points [-]

I don't particularly feel driven to communicate to members of other intellectual communities.

Am I exempt from having to read that book?

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 14 June 2011 01:14:46AM 2 points [-]

Am I exempt from having to read that book?

I will exempt you this one time, but I do not want to see you in my office again! Is that understood?

Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2011 01:18:28AM 0 points [-]

It should be noted that currently my brain interprets all requests for me to do stuff as requests for me to stay up when I should be sleeping.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 14 June 2011 01:21:10AM 0 points [-]

It that case, you are hereby commanded to initiate your sleep cycle immediately.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2011 01:27:44AM 1 point [-]

The interesting issue is that, since this requires getting up, going upstairs, brushing teeth, etc., I fear the twinge of starting, and end up with an aversion to going to sleep as well.

Comment author: Alicorn 14 June 2011 01:34:20AM 0 points [-]

If you really need to be sleeping, just relocate yourself to bed and crash. You can brush your teeth in the morning. (Alternately, decide how many more hours of sleep you're willing to skip in exchange for the chance that you will eventually decide to brush your teeth.)

Comment author: Will_Sawin 14 June 2011 01:37:33AM *  0 points [-]

Interruptions will prevent me from sleeping for about another half-hour. I have a planned schedule to reflect this. The chance that I will follow this schedule is high.

ETA: 90% of the work of this process is getting up, not the brushing the teeth bit.