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Comment author: Swimmer963 03 June 2011 01:13:00AM 5 points [-]

I was thinking about that as I was writing this...I thought I'd mentioned it at some point, but I guess not. Thus telling my friends I'm going to go to the gym or the pool later makes it a lot more likely that I'll actually go, even if they can't verify whether I do or not. Useful tactic.

Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 10:07:37AM 2 points [-]

Ya. NaNoWriMo suggests this technique when they recommend bragging as a form of self-motivation. The idea being that if you brag to your friends/family/colleagues about how amazing your novel is going to be, then you'll be too embarrassed to not do it :)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 01:29:31PM 0 points [-]

I remember a post describing a study that showed that telling others about your resolve makes it less likely that you'll do it (can't remember relevant keywords to look up the post).

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 June 2011 02:08:26PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 03:48:30PM *  4 points [-]

Interesting. Note: I can't go read the original paper as it's behind login, but based on my guess at what kind of goals they're talking about it's mainly aimed at "identity"-based commitments (though a long-range goal is also mentioned).

eg claiming "I'm a writer / I'm writing a novel" as opposed to "I will write 50,000 words this month"

I speculate that there is a big difference between the two above claims. The first one, you can get away with claiming - and gain social credit for not doing anything to accomplish it apart from carrying a writing journal and... I dunno, dressing bohemian and living in a garret for a while. You can "be writing a novel" for years...

But if you make a very specific claim eg "50,000 words written in November" - a claim that can be backed-up by evidence of regular progress (for nanowrimo... anybody can go see your actual word-count), then I reckon you can't back down quite so easily.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 06:03:30PM 0 points [-]

Thanks!

Comment author: Swimmer963 04 June 2011 01:50:45PM 1 point [-]

Someone else linked to that somewhere in the comments. The idea is that if you tell all your friends about your high-status plan to write a novel, and they congratulate you, then it becomes a 'social reality'...you get some of the benefits of having written a novel without having done any work, and so you're less likely to do the work.

I wonder what would happen if you told your friends about your plans and they were extremely skeptical. From personal experience, I think that to a degree you feel more motivated to 'show them' and 'prove yourself', as I did when nearly all my friends and family were skeptical that I could learn to sing. I did learn to sing. However, my friends and family were also skeptical that I could become the youngest person to swim across Lake Ontario (at 14) and I didn't end up doing it...without my parents' material and financial support, it was pretty much impossible.

Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 03:42:51PM 0 points [-]

Hmmm - just shows that different people are different. I find that if everybody around me is skeptical then I'm far less likely to do it. I'm demotivated because I feel unhappy that they don't "believe in me". I prefer my friends to be supportive.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 02:01:08PM *  0 points [-]

Someone else linked to that somewhere in the comments.

Where?

Comment author: Swimmer963 04 June 2011 02:22:36PM 0 points [-]

I went through all the comments and tried to find it. I can only conclude that I saw it somewhere else. I'll keep looking and see if I can find it for you.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 June 2011 02:24:07PM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 03 June 2011 01:14:11AM *  0 points [-]

You mentioned it. Since it's also true that everything (that you care about) affects your thoughts, consider my post a musing inspired by the first line of the poster, and nothing more.

Interpreting "destiny" to mean "your situation", the poster paints a true (incomplete) picture.