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Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 03 June 2011 01:05:30AM 3 points [-]

Words also become thoughts. Communicating (even to yourself) an analysis or judgment will make you reluctant to gainsay it. I'm hoping to learn to hold my tongue in ways that leave me more flexible, or at least happier (for example: in most cases, why bother expressing contempt or outrage?).

On the other hand, creativity sometimes requires building speculation on speculation (when verification costs too much); perhaps all that's needed is a delight in tearing down what's faulty.

Comment author: Swimmer963 03 June 2011 01:13:00AM 5 points [-]

I was thinking about that as I was writing this...I thought I'd mentioned it at some point, but I guess not. Thus telling my friends I'm going to go to the gym or the pool later makes it a lot more likely that I'll actually go, even if they can't verify whether I do or not. Useful tactic.

Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 10:07:37AM 2 points [-]

Ya. NaNoWriMo suggests this technique when they recommend bragging as a form of self-motivation. The idea being that if you brag to your friends/family/colleagues about how amazing your novel is going to be, then you'll be too embarrassed to not do it :)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 01:29:31PM 0 points [-]

I remember a post describing a study that showed that telling others about your resolve makes it less likely that you'll do it (can't remember relevant keywords to look up the post).

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 June 2011 02:08:26PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 03:48:30PM *  4 points [-]

Interesting. Note: I can't go read the original paper as it's behind login, but based on my guess at what kind of goals they're talking about it's mainly aimed at "identity"-based commitments (though a long-range goal is also mentioned).

eg claiming "I'm a writer / I'm writing a novel" as opposed to "I will write 50,000 words this month"

I speculate that there is a big difference between the two above claims. The first one, you can get away with claiming - and gain social credit for not doing anything to accomplish it apart from carrying a writing journal and... I dunno, dressing bohemian and living in a garret for a while. You can "be writing a novel" for years...

But if you make a very specific claim eg "50,000 words written in November" - a claim that can be backed-up by evidence of regular progress (for nanowrimo... anybody can go see your actual word-count), then I reckon you can't back down quite so easily.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 06:03:30PM 0 points [-]

Thanks!

Comment author: Swimmer963 04 June 2011 01:50:45PM 1 point [-]

Someone else linked to that somewhere in the comments. The idea is that if you tell all your friends about your high-status plan to write a novel, and they congratulate you, then it becomes a 'social reality'...you get some of the benefits of having written a novel without having done any work, and so you're less likely to do the work.

I wonder what would happen if you told your friends about your plans and they were extremely skeptical. From personal experience, I think that to a degree you feel more motivated to 'show them' and 'prove yourself', as I did when nearly all my friends and family were skeptical that I could learn to sing. I did learn to sing. However, my friends and family were also skeptical that I could become the youngest person to swim across Lake Ontario (at 14) and I didn't end up doing it...without my parents' material and financial support, it was pretty much impossible.

Comment author: taryneast 04 June 2011 03:42:51PM 0 points [-]

Hmmm - just shows that different people are different. I find that if everybody around me is skeptical then I'm far less likely to do it. I'm demotivated because I feel unhappy that they don't "believe in me". I prefer my friends to be supportive.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 June 2011 02:01:08PM *  0 points [-]

Someone else linked to that somewhere in the comments.

Where?

Comment author: Swimmer963 04 June 2011 02:22:36PM 0 points [-]

I went through all the comments and tried to find it. I can only conclude that I saw it somewhere else. I'll keep looking and see if I can find it for you.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 04 June 2011 02:24:07PM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 03 June 2011 01:14:11AM *  0 points [-]

You mentioned it. Since it's also true that everything (that you care about) affects your thoughts, consider my post a musing inspired by the first line of the poster, and nothing more.

Interpreting "destiny" to mean "your situation", the poster paints a true (incomplete) picture.