Perplexed comments on Safety Culture and the Marginal Effect of a Dollar - Less Wrong

23 Post author: jimrandomh 09 June 2011 03:59AM

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Comment author: Perplexed 09 June 2011 01:42:19PM -2 points [-]

This comment seems to argue that "trying to assemble a team to solve basic FAI problems over however-many years and then afterward build FAI" is the real goal here and that "convincing someone to take something seriously" is barely worth thinking about. However, it certainly seems to me that convincing people to take the problem seriously is a productive (and perhaps an essential) first step toward assembling a team.

However, reading the subtext in that comment, it certainly appears that the real fear expressed here is that if safety consciousness should become endemic in the AGI community, there is a real risk that someone else might produce FAI before Eliezer.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 10 June 2011 01:03:26PM 4 points [-]

if safety consciousness should become endemic in the AGI community, there is a real risk that someone else might produce FAI before Eliezer.

That makes no sense. If safety consciousness means that the AGI community is likely to produce FAI before Eliezer, then without safety consciousness, the AGI community is even more likely to produce UFAI before Eliezer produces FAI. Either way, Eliezer gets scooped; but in the second case, we're very dead.

Comment author: Nisan 09 June 2011 06:07:17PM 2 points [-]

However, reading the subtext in that comment,

That's hardly charitable.

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Comment author: jimrandomh 09 June 2011 06:03:18PM 5 points [-]

That Eliezer would be upset if someone got it right before he did seems obviously absurd.

As explicit reasoning, yes, that would be absurd. But we are all primates, and the thought of being overshadowed feels bad on a subconscious level, even if that feeling disagrees with conscious beliefs. "I will do it right and anyone else who tries will do it wrong" is an unlikely thing to believe, but a likely thing to alieve.