khafra comments on Rational Romantic Relationships, Part 1: Relationship Styles and Attraction Basics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: khafra 08 November 2011 06:15:34PM 2 points [-]

AWYC, but

However - need I remind you of the alien stealing our sexy women aspect of the mind-projection fallacy? the woman is not sexy... the men are attracted to certain types of women.

I think you're modus tollensing a modus ponens. Eliezer's metaethical conclusion was that sexy is an objective criteria which does not mean "sexually attractive to aliens;" the word for that would be "kvy'ztar" or something.

Comment author: taryneast 17 November 2011 02:18:24PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure that I am.

Are 9 year old girls "sexy" because some humans find them sexy? Or is "sexy" in the eye of the beholder here?

Sexy is a transistive verb attached to the person who considers the other person sexy, not to the subject of said attentions. It may so happen that there's more than one person who finds a certain subject sexy - it's still something that attaches to the group. What can be said about the subject is "she is symmetrical, unblemished, has large breasts and a low body fat percentage" and it so happens that a large number of men find that to be high on their sexiness-scale. There's a cluster there that has been named "sexy" - but don't forget that this cluster is in map-space, not territory-space.

Comment author: khafra 17 November 2011 06:33:16PM 0 points [-]

I think we're still in agreement. The reference post makes it clear that "sexy" is a different word for a bug-eyed monster, a normal heterosexual male, and a paedophile.

Comment author: taryneast 17 November 2011 09:14:43PM 2 points [-]

Firstly - I hadn't read that article yet, thanks. Still making my way through the backlog.

Secondly - I don't think we are in agreement on this. You are claiming that I was making a 1-place argument.

In fact I was pointing out that roissy seems to be under the incorrect impression that his 1-place, curryed algorithm is the algorithm for determining the "sexual worth" of a woman. In my (admittedly brief) time on his site, I didn't see any reference to alternative algorithms for evaluating the sexual worth of women (based, say, on alternative preferences).

My understanding on how he sees women predicts that he would be quite surprised to find a man that honestly finds a woman to be attractive that he considers to not be attractive. ie he would be truly astonished to find that some men really and honestly find 40 YO old women perfectly good bedmates. ie he would find it hard to accept that other men used a different sexiness function than what he uses.

Of course my other understandings about him mean that I predict that if he found a man that claimed the above - roissy would think the man was not being honest and was simply "settling" for what he could get.