Bugmaster comments on Rational Romantic Relationships, Part 1: Relationship Styles and Attraction Basics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pedanterrific 10 November 2011 05:04:52AM *  2 points [-]

Possible solutions: wear cloaks and masks, i.e. have the membership of the mailing list be composed of anonymized gmail accounts (46233782482@gmail.com). Also, of course, denydenydeny.

Comment author: Bugmaster 10 November 2011 06:11:39AM 0 points [-]

This is a good idea, but it does not guarantee security; and I'm not sure how effective it would be against a determined attacker. It would be relatively easy to collect a large enough corpus of text and then use it to match up "46233782482@gmail.com" with "Bugmaster of LessWrong". And, of course, this assumes that Google won't roll over and surrender all of Mr. 46233782482's contact information to the authorities when said authorities come knocking.

Comment author: pedanterrific 10 November 2011 06:22:06AM 4 points [-]

How determined an attacker are we planning for, here? The original goal was to just meliorate the damage that a theoretical rogue member could cause (as it seems hopeless to try to prevent that). Are you really anticipating "the authorities" getting involved?

Comment author: Bugmaster 10 November 2011 06:50:44AM 2 points [-]

Well, on the one hand, Vladimir_M believes that his beliefs are so heretical that they can cause society -- any society, if I understand him correctly -- to turn against him in a really intense way. On the other hand, our authorities have been getting quite jumpy lately; for example, merely having an Arabic-sounding last name is already enough for the FBI to attach a tracking device to your car. When you put the two factors together, it seems reasonable to expect said authorities to take an interest in the membership of the Contrarian Conspiracy.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 11 November 2011 01:09:17AM 9 points [-]

Well, on the one hand, Vladimir_M believes that his beliefs are so heretical that they can cause society -- any society, if I understand him correctly -- to turn against him in a really intense way.

Where on Earth did you read anything like that anywhere in my comments? Please provide a citation. (Which you should be able to do if you assert it as a known fact that person X believes Y.)

This, by the way, is another way in which expressing opinions about controversial and charged topics can be more dangerous than one might assume. Already in the second- or third-hand retelling, your opinion is not at all unlikely to be distorted and amplified into a caricatured soundbite that sounds far more crude and awful than anything you ever meant to say or actually said. If such things happen even on the "meta" level, what can one expect to happen when concrete topics are broached?

Comment author: Bugmaster 17 November 2011 03:47:36AM 2 points [-]

Please provide a citation. (Which you should be able to do if you assert it as a known fact that person X believes Y.)

Ok, I tried doing just that right now, but I couldn't make heads or tails of the thread at all at any capacity. So, firstly, I have to withdraw my comment for lack of evidence; my apologies. But secondly, can you offer some advice for navigating gigantic threads on Less Wrong ? For example, is there a way to search just a single thread for comments with certain keywords, or to flatten the thread, or something ?

Comment author: wedrifid 10 November 2011 07:30:09AM *  2 points [-]

Well, on the one hand, Vladimir_M believes that his beliefs are so heretical that they can cause society -- any society, if I understand him correctly -- to turn against him in a really intense way.

Such a belief does not exist! Vladimir_M is a liar. A dirty, dirty liar!

(Prove me wrong? :P)

Comment author: pedanterrific 10 November 2011 07:38:12AM 6 points [-]

There's no such thing as a hate-speech basilisk! Don't be sill-

whisperwhisper

RAARGH DIE YOU FOUL HERETIC

Comment author: wedrifid 10 November 2011 08:22:44AM 1 point [-]

Now I'm wondering if there there are any mythical creatures who are known to cause anyone who sets eyes upon them to attack them. It doesn't seem like a survival trait exactly, unless it is intended to force the assailant into a particularly dangerous form of confrontation.

Comment author: Emile 10 November 2011 09:54:24AM 7 points [-]

Now I'm wondering if there there are any mythical creatures who are known to cause anyone who sets eyes upon them to attack them.

There's the Troll, obviously.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 November 2011 10:22:19AM 5 points [-]

If only those were mythological!

Comment author: Pavitra 04 July 2012 08:49:23PM 0 points [-]

Not exactly mythological, but SCP-053 springs to mind.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 November 2011 08:48:23AM *  0 points [-]

Now I'm wondering if there there are any mythical creatures who are known to cause anyone who sets eyes upon them to attack them. It doesn't seem like a survival trait exactly

It could also work as a curse of the gods that keeps the poor soul forever hiding in fear for its life.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 November 2011 09:21:01AM 0 points [-]

Ahh, good idea. That has almost certainly come up in mythology somewhere.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 November 2011 01:56:58PM *  3 points [-]

The first thing that comes to mind is a bit of a stretch, but:

10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth." 13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

(From Genesis 4.)

So, the curse doesn't directly cause anyone to attack him, but it does indirectly create a situation in which Cain has to expose himself to attackers. Of course, this version of the curse lasts for all of one verse; in the next, God revises it into the Mark of Cain, which is perhaps even more cruel than the original curse.

Comment author: lessdazed 10 November 2011 01:28:07PM 0 points [-]

any society, if I understand him correctly

This would be a mistake analogous to the mind projection fallacy. I do not so understand.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 November 2011 08:46:20AM 3 points [-]

Trivial inconvenience to protect against a trivial danger.

I find the scenario very low probability if high impact.