David_Gerard comments on Helpless Individuals - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 24 November 2010 08:31:42PM *  1 point [-]

Any musicians at the level of Beethoven lately?

Yes, but you haven't heard of them, because they're obscure academics.

(And their music wouldn't necessarily be intelligible to you either, due to the musical analogue of inferential distance.)

Nowadays universities play the role that aristocratic patrons did in the past.

Comment author: David_Gerard 24 November 2010 09:25:49PM *  4 points [-]

This is incorrect. Major record companies played the role of patron in pop music from the 1960s to the present.

Music made by academics that literally no-one listens to - seriously, a lot of this stuff is never played in public - is culturally irrelevant and only exists because of a small space not subject to feedback effects.

(I used to be a music journalist. This is a specialist subject of mine.)

Edit: By "culturally irrelevant" I mean that it has very little in terms of ripple effect or influence on things outside its small space. This is not to say it's bad music, or worthless - but that there's no promotion and little or no feedback unless the composer goes to particular effort.

Comment author: komponisto 24 November 2010 09:36:44PM *  4 points [-]

Major record companies played the role of patron in pop music

Not what we're talking about. Vassar mentioned Beethoven.

(I used to be a music journalist. This is a specialist subject of mine.)

I'm a composer (that's what "komponisto" means). Of the type you just called "culturally irrelevant". It won't suprise you to learn that I have approximately the same high regard for music journalists as you do for composers like me, and your "specialist" opinion carries little weight in influencing my view of these matters.

Comment author: David_Gerard 24 November 2010 09:39:32PM *  4 points [-]

This is as it should be ;-) However, Beethoven did not labour unheard in academia.

And it's all music. "Classical" isn't one genre, not even a bit.

Anyway, poetry tops the recorded sound charts these days. It's very popular. Children popularly aspire to be poets.

Comment author: komponisto 24 November 2010 09:46:36PM 5 points [-]

"Classical" isn't one genre, not even a bit.

It sure isn't. "Genres" are things like the symphony, the string quartet, and the piano sonata. "Classical" is a period in history.

Comment author: David_Gerard 26 November 2010 02:13:04PM *  0 points [-]

Ah, I should clarify again - I'm speaking of "genre" as "marketing term used by people as if it carves art at the joints" - what you see on the cards if you walk into a record shop. All the jargon in this space is overloaded. See clarification above re: term "culturally irrelevant".

(And off-topic: got links to your music please? I'm interested now. dgerard at gmail dot com.)

Comment author: Jack 03 December 2010 10:05:47PM 2 points [-]

Have you composed a Bayesian inspired opera about the Amanda Knox trial? Because you should.

Comment author: komponisto 04 December 2010 05:14:53AM *  11 points [-]

Don't think I haven't thought about it....

Obvious title: Night Is To Be Loved (in Latin: amanda nox).

Edit: Another piece I've contemplated writing: Paperclip Maximizer for contrabass clarinet.

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 December 2010 03:41:43PM 0 points [-]

And, y'know, I thought "that picture reminds me of MS Office Clippy" before I got to the word they used for it and laughed loudly and embarrassingly.

Comment author: David_Gerard 03 December 2010 10:42:44PM -1 points [-]

I'll render it as '80s synth pop. (LMMS! Cheaper than a red sports car or a trophy girlfriend!) Lloyd Webber's days are numbered.

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