CannibalSmith comments on Helpless Individuals - Less Wrong

42 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 30 March 2009 11:10AM

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Comment author: CannibalSmith 30 March 2009 09:22:25PM 3 points [-]

"How do large institutions survive?" is "They don't!"

No, seriously! How can Eliezer say that when they obviously do? For example, many countries are more than a hundred years old.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 30 March 2009 11:32:54PM *  6 points [-]

I think you are being too literal. I interpreted Eliezer as saying that the obstacles to good large institutions are so great, that most of them never get off the ground. The rest of the post mentions some of the explanations for and implications of this fact. (Completely rewritten comment to be more polite and helpful)

Comment author: gwern 07 April 2013 05:29:01PM 2 points [-]

How many is 'many'? And are countries now "institutions"? I agree that 'Germany' survives, but not that, say, the Second Reich / Third Reich / GDR survive.

How many governments in Africa maintain continuity back to 1913? Asia? (Hm, maybe India - whups, no, independence and the partition; China - but the government fell to warlords and Communists; perhaps wealthy industrializing Japan - no, conquered by America; Vietnam or Korea - actually maybe we'd better go somewhere else.) How many governments in South America? (No, that's not too good either given how many coups and revolutions there always are there.) Well, there's always Europe (wait, no, WWI, WWII, the Iron Curtain, and the fall of the Warsaw Pact, all took out a ton of governments).

Well. There's always North America. Three governments counts as 'many countries', doesn't it?

(But wasn't there some sort of unpleasantness in Mexico 1910-1920... I'd better be quiet about that so as to not spoil a beautiful theory.)

Comment author: DanielLC 07 April 2013 07:01:36AM 1 point [-]

My interpretation is that most of the things we desperately need large institutions to do are simply not being done.