I aim to make several arguments in the post that we can make statements about what should be done and what should not be done that cannot be reduced, by definition, to statements about the physical world.
A Naive Argument
Lukeprog says this in one of his posts:
If someone makes a claim of the 'ought' type, either they are talking about the world of is, or they are talking about the world of is not. If they are talking about the world of is not, then I quickly lose interest because the world of is not isn't my subject of interest.
I would like to question that statement. I would guess that lukeprog's chief subject of interest is figuring out what to do with the options presented to him. His interest is, therefore, in figuring out what he ought to do.
Consider the reasoning process that takes him from observations about the world to actions. He sees something, and then thinks, and then thinks some more, and then decides. Moreover, he can, if he chooses, express every step of this reasoning process in words. Does he really lose interest at the last step?
My goal here is to get people to feel the intuition that "I ought to do X" means something, and that thing is not "I think I ought to do X" or "I would think that I ought to do X if I were smarter and some other stuff".
(If you don't, I'm not sure what to do.)
People who do feel that intuition run into trouble. This is because "I ought to do X' does not refer to anything that exists. How can you make a statement that doesn't refer to anything that exists?
I've done it, and my reasoning process is still intact, and nothing has blown up. Everything seems to be fine. No one has explained to me what isn't fine about this.
Since it's intuitive, why would you not want to do it that way?
(You can argue that certain words, for certain people, do not refer to what one ought to do. But it's a different matter to suggest that no word refers to what one ought to do beyond facts about what is.)
A Flatland Argument
"I'm not interested in words, I'm interested in things. Words are just sequences of sounds or images. There's no way a sequence of arbitrary symbols could imply another sequence, or inform a decision."
"I understand how logical definitions work. I can see how, from a small set of axioms, you can derive a large number of interesting facts. But I'm not interested in words without definitions. What does "That thing, over there?" mean? Taboo finger-pointing."
"You can make statements about observations, that much is obvious. You can even talk about patterns in observations, like "the sun rises in the morning". But I don't understand your claim that there's no chocolate cake at the center of the sun. Is it about something you can see? If not, I'm not interested."
"Claims about the past make perfect sense, but I don't understand what you mean when you say something is going to happen. Sure, I see that chair, and I remember seeing the chair in the past, but what do you mean that the chair will still be there tomorrow? Taboo "will"."
Not every set of claims is reducible to every other set of claims. There is nothing special about the set "claims about the state of the world, including one's place in it and ability to affect it." If you add, however, ought-claims, then you will get a very special set - the set of all information you need to make correct decisions.
I can't see a reason to make claims that aren't reducible, by definition, to that.
The Bootstrapping Trick
Suppose an AI wants to find out what Bob means when he says "water'. AI could ask him if various items were and were not water. But Bob might get temporarily confused in any number of ways - he could mix up his words, he could hallucinate, or anything else. So the AI decides instead to wait. The AI will give Bob time, and everything else he needs, to make the decision. In this way, by giving Bob all the abilities he needs to replicate his abstract concept of a process that decides if something is or is not "water", the AI can duplicate this process.
The following statement is true:
A substance is water (in Bob's language) if and only if Bob, given all the time, intelligence, and other resources he wants, decides that it is water.
But this is certainly not the definition of water! Imagine if Bob used this criterion to evaluate what was and was not water. He would suffer from an infinite regress. The definition of water is something else. The statement "This is water" reduces to a set of facts about this, not a set of facts about this and Bob's head.
The extension to morality should be obvious.
What one is forced to do by this argument, if one wants to speak only in physical statements, is to say that "should" has a really, really long definition that incorporates all components of human value. When a simple word has a really, really long definition, we should worry that something is up.
Well, why does it have a long definition? It has a long definition because that's what we believe is important. To say that people who use (in this sense) "should" to mean different things just disagree about definitions is to paper over and cover up the fact that they disagree about what's important.
What do I care about?
In this essay I talk about what I believe about rather than what I care about. What I care about seems like an entirely emotional question to me. I cannot Shut Up And Multiply about what I care about. If I do, in fact, Shut Up and Multiply, then it is because I believe that doing so is right. Suppose I believe that my future emotions will follow multiplication. I would have to, then, believe that I am going to self-modify into someone who multiplies. I would only do this because of a belief that doing so is right.
Belief and logical reasoning are an important part of how people on lesswrong think about morality, and I don't see how to incorporate them into a metaethics based not on beliefs, but on caring.
Let me have another go at this, since I've now rewritten the is-ought section of 'Pluralistic Moral Reductionism' (PMR).
This time around, I was more clear that of course it's true that, as you say:
We can make reducible 'ought' statements. We can make irreducible 'ought' statements. We can exhibit non-cognitive (non-asserting) verbal behaviors employing the sound 'ought'.
For the purposes of the PMR post, I'm interested to investigate frameworks that allow us to determine whether a certain subset of 'ought' statements are true or false.
Thus, in the context of PMR, non-asserting verbal behaviors employing 'ought' sounds are simply a different subject matter. They do not belong to the subset of 'ought' statements I am investigating for that particular post. (I discussed this in the cognitivism vs. non-cognitivism section.) At the same time, clearly such statements can be useful. For example, you can use them to affect others' behavior. You can affect others' behavior and attitudes with non-asserting verbal behaviors, such as when you say "female circumcisions" with a gasp and a frown.
Also in the context of PMR, some 'ought' statements can quickly be tossed in the 'false' bin, because the speaker uses 'ought' language assertively to refer to things that clearly don't exist, like divine commands.
In the context of PMR, other 'ought' statements can be tossed into the 'false' bin if you are a physicalist, because the speaker uses 'ought' language assertively to refer to things that don't fit within a physicalist ontology, like non-natural moral properties. If you're not a physicalist, then our debate about such 'ought' statements can shift to a debate about physicalism vs. non-physicalism.
Will, you seem to be saying that 'ought' has only one meaning, or one definition. You also seem to be saying that this one meaning of 'ought' (or 'should') is captured by what we 'actually want' in the CEV sense. Is that right so far?
If so, I'm still not clear on your arguments for this conclusion. Your writing here has a very high ratio of unstated premises to stated premises. My own writing does that all the time for communication efficiency, in the hopes that my unstated premises are shared or else successfully inferred. But many times I find that the unstated premises didn't make it into the other's mind, and thus my enthymeme is unclear to it. And when I care enough about my argument being clear to certain people, I take the time to draw my unstated premises into the light and state them explicitly.
Since I'm having trouble guessing at the unstated premises in your arguments for singularism about the meaning of 'should' or 'ought', I'll request that you state them explicitly. Would you please state your most central argument for this singularism, without unstated premises?
What are your alternatives (at this level of detail)? If I could be using two different definitions, ought1 and ought2, then I expect there are distinguishing arguments that form a decision problem about which of the two I should've been using, which in turn determines which of these definitions is the one.