timtyler comments on Scientific misconduct misdiagnosed because of scientific misconduct - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 10 June 2011 09:39:43PM 15 points [-]

"The Mismeasure of Man" is mostly only good for showing how political correctness messes up people's ability to think.

Comment author: MixedNuts 13 June 2011 08:17:27PM 5 points [-]

In cases of this type, it's an error akin to relativism. "Suzy is wrong, therefore I should kill her" does a lot of damage, so people start thinking "Nobody is ever wrong". "Members of outgroup X have negative traits, therefore they're subhuman" does a lot of damage, so people start thinking "Members of outgroup X can't have negative traits". It's best to stay on the object level and prove "This group's average brain volume is 95% of that group's" rather than saying "political correctness", for the same reason proving particular facts is more effective than getting into "What is truth?".

In other cases, like changing the color of garbage bags from black to orange, it's fear of being thought evil and thereby losing status, and attempt to get status by chiding others. This has absolutely nothing to do with the group you're trying to defend, so it leads to white people telling other white people "This is offensive to black people!" while all black people are saying "But we're not offended!" and getting ignored. The phrase "political correctness" used to be useful in those cases.

In yet other cases, shouting "political correctness" is just applying a phrase with negative connotations to people who don't want you to lynch your neighbor.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 11 June 2011 01:52:00PM 1 point [-]

Would you care to be more specific?

Comment author: Vladimir_M 11 June 2011 06:00:31PM *  17 points [-]

As far as I know, the most thorough criticism of TMOM back in the early eighties was published by Arthur Jensen. Whatever you think about Jensen's own theories, his criticism of Gould is pretty damning, and it should be mandatory reading for anyone who has read TMOM. (Gould was invited to reply by the journal that published Jensen's review, but apparently he never did.) For other prominent criticisms of the book, see e.g. the 1983 review by Bernard Davis (Gould's reply here) or the 1995 retrospective review by John Carroll.

Also, the propagandistic rather than scientific quality of TMOM is especially evident from the fact that Gould republished it 15 years later without a single change in response to the criticisms the first edition received, nor even in response to the relevant scientific developments that occurred in the meantime. (He just tacked on his review of The Bell Curve as an appendix to the original text.)

Comment author: timtyler 11 June 2011 02:42:43PM *  3 points [-]

Well, the whole book is awful.

I read it over a decade, though, and have no plans to revisit it. Update: missing "ago".

Comment author: [deleted] 11 June 2011 05:28:37PM 4 points [-]

I read it over a decade, though, and have no plans to revisit it.

That's pretty slow. :)