jsalvatier comments on Rationality Minicamp report and photos [link] - Less Wrong
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Well, I'd want to know what thes supposed projects are, what progress they've made, how well people are sticking to them, etc. It's not much help to mention self-assessed exit surveys, given that people are remarkably poor judges of their own skill. The self-assessments would really only measure how much fun the participants had, which was not the standard it claimed to judge itself by.
They could also post improvements on tests -- since there were specific skills taught, surely there's an easy before/after they can come up with. For the males (given what I remember about what lukeprog was going to teach), they can report (anonymized) "dating effectiveness improvement".
For a smashing success, there's remarkably little I can see to distinguish it from non-success. (And when such evidence does come, it hope I'm not criticized for asking for it.)
I agree the post is a bit over the top. From what I saw, At the end of the minicamp, everyone, including myself, felt really good about how it had gone. The attendees all felt that they had gotten really valuable lessons out of it. But of course that feeling so short after learning the material isn't that strong of evidence. I agree better measurement would be a really good thing, though I'm not certain how you would go about that.
Here are some things I currently think I got out of the minicamp and some reasons why:
There's more, but I'll leave it there for now and maybe come back to it.
One thing that is being doing, that does provide data is that people are submitting before and after fashion photos a month after the camp (the aim is to get people to follow through on implementing fashion changes). Obviously this isn't perfect, but it does provide some data about how effective that part of the camp has been.