Normal_Anomaly comments on The "Stick Test" - useful tool or just pointless amusement? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 23 June 2011 10:28:51PM 7 points [-]

Here's a test to determine whether it's useful: Does it ever get people to change their minds/concede the argument? If yes, it's good. If no, it's useless except for the fun it provides you.

Comment author: benelliott 23 June 2011 10:32:05PM *  6 points [-]

What if you can't tell whether they've actually changed their minds or whether they're just willing to say whatever you want to get you to stop hitting them with a stick?

Comment author: wedrifid 23 June 2011 10:48:16PM 4 points [-]

What if you can't tell whether they've actually changed their minds or whether they're just willing to say whatever you want to get you stop hitting them with a stick?

That is why people usually change their minds. Well, that and the carrot. The social implication of the compliance is usually the important part.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 June 2011 10:42:23PM 1 point [-]

If they're able to come up with the proper reasoning processes to say what I want when I'm (virtually) hitting them with a stick... then they'll be able to use those same reasoning processes without a stick, and there will be no reason to continue using it on them.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 June 2011 10:40:00PM 1 point [-]

If yes, it's good. If no, it's useless except for the fun it provides you.

And if sometimes?

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 24 June 2011 12:17:53AM 3 points [-]

I said, "does it ever". If it's convinced someone at least once, it's got some use.

Comment author: AntonioAdan 16 October 2014 11:51:39PM 0 points [-]

How likely is it to change someone's mind when they're wrong, and how likely when they were right?