XiXiDu comments on An Outside View on Less Wrong's Advice - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 04 July 2011 02:49:42AM 7 points [-]

I sympathize with the overall thrust of this comment, that we should be skeptical of LW methods and results. I see lots of specific problems with the comment itself, but I'm not sure if it's worth pointing them out. Do the upvoters also see these problems, but just think that the overall point should be made?

To give a couple of examples, take the first and last sentences:

I think the recent surge in meetups shows that people are mainly interested to group with other people who think like them rather than rationality in and of itself.

I don't see how this follows. If people were interested in rationality itself, would they be less likely to organize or attend meetups? Why?

Which wouldn't even be necessary if we were dealing with interested researchers rather than people who ask others to take their ideas seriously.

(I guess "interested" should be "disinterested" here.) Given that except for a few hobbyists (like myself), all researchers depend on others taking their ideas seriously for their continued livelihoods, how does this sentence make sense?

Comment author: XiXiDu 04 July 2011 10:49:00AM 2 points [-]

I don't see how this follows. If people were interested in rationality itself, would they be less likely to organize or attend meetups? Why?

It doesn't follow, I was wrong there. I meant to provoke three questions 1.) Are people joining this community mainly because they are interested in rationality and truth or in other people who think like them? 2.) Are meetups instrumental in refining rationality and seeking truth or are they mainly done for the purpose of socializing with other people? 3.) Are people who attend meetups strong enough to withstand the social pressure when it comes to disagreement about explosive issues like risks from AI?

Comment author: Peterdjones 04 July 2011 01:50:13PM 1 point [-]

You can care about an issue and dissent.