Eugine_Nier comments on Reasons for being rational - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 June 2011 05:11:57AM 5 points [-]

Try a slogan like "democracy is retarded" on the other hand and you'll have butchered the holy cow of practically everyone.

I disagree. The phrase "democracy is retarded" is so far from what most people, at least in the West, believe that saying it will simply make you look like a harmless eccentric.

As Paul Graham pointed out here:

No one gets in trouble for saying that 2 + 2 is 5, or that people in Pittsburgh are ten feet tall. Such obviously false statements might be treated as jokes, or at worst as evidence of insanity, but they are not likely to make anyone mad. The statements that make people mad are the ones they worry might be believed. I suspect the statements that make people maddest are those they worry might be true.

You're unlikely to convince many people by saying "democracy is retarded" so there's no reason to attack you. As for ideas that will actually get sacred cows, I recommend looking at this comment by Quirinus_Quirrell.

Comment author: Friendly-HI 26 June 2011 01:47:21PM *  2 points [-]

Agreed. Having the slogan on a T-shirt wouldn't warrant a fear of strong backlash or status loss. The trouble would only begin if I started to actually advocate such a position with valid arguments.

Seeing how for most people any political system that is not democratic is automatically evil, one would expect quite a reaction. "You know, I don't think every person should have the right to influence government policy by his or her opinion" will be quite unpopular, since virtually all people delude themselves into believing that they actually know stuff and can make rational decisions, when what they are really doing is finding rationalizations for their gut-reactions.

Comment author: CronoDAS 26 June 2011 11:25:57PM 1 point [-]

The problem with governments is that they're composed of people, and people tend to be stupid, corrupt, or both.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 June 2011 12:47:14AM *  0 points [-]

I think was you meant to say was: The problem with democracies is that they're often run by the majority opinon of people, and people tend to be stupid, corrupt, or both.

We could build a government that wasn't composed of just people, or even of people who fit some criteria of non-stupid and non-corrupt, and it would still be a government.

Comment author: CronoDAS 29 June 2011 09:07:37PM 2 points [-]

Stupidity and corruption are also problems with dictatorship and its variants as well.

Comment author: CharlieSheen 02 July 2011 05:39:29PM 0 points [-]

And "democracy + dictatorship and it's variants" is obviously the set of all possible workable forms of government?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 June 2011 03:52:40AM 1 point [-]

We could build a government that wasn't composed of just people

Until SIAI finishes their main project I think we're stuck with using people.

or even of people who fit some criteria of non-stupid and non-corrupt

This is extremely hard as Goodhart's law tends to make this whatever proxy you use less reliable very quickly.