Caesium comments on Reasons for being rational - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pjeby 26 June 2011 02:04:50AM 26 points [-]

Way too much of my motivation for ‘having true beliefs’ breaks down to ‘maybe then they’ll like me.’

Way too much of everyone's motivation for anything breaks down to "maybe then group X will have/stop having attitude Y towards me". And the vast majority of the time, we're completely unaware of it.

So actually, you've got a leg up over all the people who are doing the same thing, but have a different X and Y than you and are unaware of it. (AFAICT, people who orient on "true beliefs" tend to be more about respect/status rather than affiliation, but apart from motivating slightly different behaviors, it might as well be the same thing. Affiliation-based motivation often results in "nicer" behaviors though, so that's actually a plus for you.)

Comment author: Caesium 03 July 2011 07:23:01AM 1 point [-]

Do you have any recommendations on how to combat this? Obviously, mixing with groups that reward behaviour you wish to cultivate would be a good first step, but what other steps can one take? Do you think making a concious effort to identify more/feel friendlier towards people whose behaviour you consider laudable would help? This would be a step much more readily made for most people than changing their actual social group.

Comment author: pjeby 04 July 2011 01:08:34AM 0 points [-]

Do you have any recommendations on how to combat this?

Combat what, precisely? Being human? ;-)

(Honestly, though, I'm not clear from your questions what it is that you're trying to accomplish.)