MichaelVassar comments on Reasons for being rational - Less Wrong

57 Post author: Swimmer963 01 July 2011 03:28PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (183)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 07 July 2011 05:55:47PM 3 points [-]

You seem to be confusing the causes of people's preferences with their preferences. The fact that we want sugar because of evolution doesn't mean that we don't really want sugar.

Also, I'm not at all sure of what exactly you mean by 'a bond'.

Also, not everyone needs to do anything to get adequate love and attention. Some people do in fact grow up as only children in large families or otherwise unconditionally attended to.

I do actually think there are some important hardware differences between myself and most people, but they aren't nearly as important as the above as responses to your point. Related, I don't think I want to not be human (though I have a strong desire to somehow blend characteristics of adult and immature humans which may not be compatible). If anything, that's what UFAI enthusiasts want. I also don't think I believe in purity, to a fairly anomalous degree, though that's probably less relevant.

Comment author: pjeby 08 July 2011 04:20:25AM -2 points [-]

You seem to be confusing the causes of people's preferences with their preferences. The fact that we want sugar because of evolution doesn't mean that we don't really want sugar.

That depends on your definition of "want". My point is that the causes of preferences can't really be untangled from the preferences, because they have causal influence over how you will attempt to fulfill them, and most of that influence is subconscious or completely unconscious.

IOW, I'm focusing on the link between the cause of preferences, and how you end up behaving, thereby bypassing the difficult problem of pinning down an adequate definition of "want". ;-)

Also, not everyone needs to do anything to get adequate love and attention. Some people do in fact grow up as only children in large families or otherwise unconditionally attended to.

And those people still get their values shaped by that attention, just differently. So I'm not clear on what you're getting at there.