JoshuaZ comments on Discussion: Yudkowsky's actual accomplishments besides divulgation - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 26 June 2011 04:51:41PM 18 points [-]

While most of that list seems accurate, one should note that torture v. dust specks is a variant of a standard issue with utilitarianism that would be discussed in a lot of intro level philosophy classes.

Comment author: Raw_Power 27 June 2011 03:11:15AM *  4 points [-]

What do they discuss in outro level classes?

I mean I've tried to get into contemporary, post-Marcuse philosophy, but unnecessary jargon, Sequences-like recursiveness without the benefit of hypertexts or even an index, and the incredible amount of repetitive, pointless bickering ended up exhausting my patience.

In the light of what we've seen in this article, would it be fair to tall Yudkowsky a Philosopher, or is that seen as a badge of dishonour in the productive-work-centric anglo-saxon world? In France at least it's seen as Badass and legendarily awesome, and a very legitimate profession, same as Écrivain (writer).

Comment author: Peterdjones 27 June 2011 11:18:58AM 4 points [-]

Have you tried getting into analytical philosophy\?

Comment author: Raw_Power 27 June 2011 01:36:22PM 6 points [-]

Actually I was talking about analytical phiosophy. At lest "continental" philosophy (I hate that term, honestly, it's very Anglo-centric), is built out of huge, systematized books (that doesn't allow bickering as easily: people make their point and then move on to explain what they have come up with), and as there are less works to reference, it's easier to make a genealogy of big core books and work your way along that. Criss-crossing papers in periodical publications are far less convenient, especially if you don't have a suscription or access to archives.

No, what exhausted my patience with the continentals is that the vampire bloodlines are long rather than tangled, and that some authors seem to go out of their way to not be understood. For example Nietzsche's early books were freaking full of contemporary pop references that make annotations indispensable, and turn the reading into a sort of TV Tropes Wiki Walk through the XIXth century media rather than the lesson in human nature it's supposed to be. Not to say it isn't fun, but such things have a time and place and that is not it. Others seem to rely on Department Of Redundancy Department to reinforce their points: like Frank Millter, they seem to think an idea is more credible the more you repeat it. Kant is a huge offender.

Metaphorically speaking, I would compare analytical philosophy to a grassland, (ground level, accessible, intricately criss-crossing, vast) and continental to a rainforest (it's kinda wet and rotten on ground level, the roots are superficial, the emergent layer looks nice from afar but is actually incredibly raspy and weather-beaten).

... (looks back)

... Sorry

Comment author: Raw_Power 27 June 2011 12:00:11PM *  0 points [-]

Actually I'm familiar with Claude Levi-Strauss and his analytical theory of anthropology. That guy is so full of bullshit. Did you see how he rapes topology and then pimps it down a dark alley to people who won't even appreciate it?

Comment author: Peterdjones 27 June 2011 12:11:23PM 2 points [-]

Not what I what I meant

Comment author: MixedNuts 27 June 2011 12:21:23PM 1 point [-]

IAWYC, but please use a metaphor that won't trigger a large subset of your readership.

Comment author: Raw_Power 27 June 2011 01:10:50PM -1 points [-]

Does it make it okay if I make it gender-neutral?

Comment author: Benquo 27 June 2011 01:29:23PM 3 points [-]

The problem is the use of the rape metaphor, not the gender pronoun.