RichardKennaway comments on The Blue-Minimizing Robot - Less Wrong

162 Post author: Yvain 04 July 2011 10:26PM

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 04 July 2011 02:31:21PM 8 points [-]

this is all a metaphor for people

One that presents consciousness as an epiphenomenon. In the version of the robot that has human intelligence, you describe it as bolted on, experiencing the robot's actions but having no causal influence on them, an impotent spectator.

Are your projected postings going to justify this hypothesis?

Comment author: Yvain 04 July 2011 06:50:22PM 3 points [-]

I hope so. Let's see.

Comment author: asr 08 July 2011 04:33:35AM *  2 points [-]

My first thought was that this was pointing towards an epiphenomenal view of consciousness. But I think it's actually something more radical and more testable. Yvain, check me if I get this wrong, but I think you're saying that "our conscious verbal acts -- both internally and externally directed -- do not primarily cause our actions."

Here is an experiment to test this: have people perform some verbal act repeatedly, and see if it shifts their actions. This happens to be a well known motivational and behavior-alteration technique, beloved of football teams, political campaigns, governments, and religions, among other organizations. My impression is that it works to a point, but not consistently. Has anybody done a test of how catechisms, chants, and the like shape behavior?

Comment author: jsalvatier 04 July 2011 06:48:53PM 0 points [-]

I hope that he explicitly deals with this. By the way, I didn't know the actual definition of epiphenomenon, which is " is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside or in parallel to a primary phenomenon".