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Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 October 2011 04:51:04AM 3 points [-]

I'd actually like to back up a step from there, if it's OK with you.

It seems likely to me that many of the items you list as evidence of the non-existence of the referent of "God" as understood by your form of Catholicism would also be evidence of the non-existence of the referent of "God" as understood by my form of Judaism. (For convenience, I will hereafter refer to those referents as the Christian God and the Jewish God, respectively.)

If that's true, it creates something of a problem, since while I would agree that seeking evidence for the nonexistence of X and failing to find it constitutes evidence (not proof, but evidence) for the existence of X, if the evidence you're seeking and failing to find is also evidence for the nonexistence of Y then failing to find it is equally evidence for the existence of Y. So, if the evidence you identified would demonstrate the nonexistence of both the Christian and the Jewish Gods, then failing to find that evidence would be both evidence for the existence of the Christian God and evidence for the existence of the Jewish God.

And the same goes for many other denominations' Gods.

Which would be fine, if your goal was to explore the existence of some kind of God, who might not be the Christian God... but it doesn't sound like that's where you're coming from.

And if X and Y are mutually exclusive, then the whole thing becomes rather a muddle.

So it seems it's important to find, not only evidence that supports the existence of the Christian God (such as failing to find evidence of Godlessness) but also evidence that differentially supports that existence, relative to the existence of other Gods (say, one of the Hindu Gods, or the God of some religion neither of us has ever heard of).

Would you agree?

Comment author: selylindi 11 October 2011 02:25:36AM 1 point [-]

Would you agree?

With every word.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 11 October 2011 03:24:14AM 0 points [-]

OK. So, I return to my earlier statement: if I want to know whether a belief in the Christian god is justified, I should look for evidence differentially supporting that belief. If I don't find such evidence, I should conclude that such a belief is not justified; if I do find it, I can go on to ask other more detailed questions about that belief.

The obvious next question, then: what evidence differentially supports that belief?

Comment author: lessdazed 11 October 2011 05:19:08AM 0 points [-]

If I don't find such evidence, I should conclude that such a belief is not justified

I suggest concluding that beliefs are probabilistic, and strengths of belief are justified or unjustified.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 11 October 2011 07:34:55PM 0 points [-]

Sure, agreed. Read "a certain confidence level in a belief in" for "a belief in" throughout.