I claim that (it is possible that) a rational agent would leave the AI in the box even given that they understand the reasoning that XiXiDu alluded to. Because they understand and disagree with the arguments of the Acting!Eliezer!uFAI.
Can you give me an example of a argument they could use to disagree with Acting!Eliezer!uFAI, and also doesn't Eliezer at least start by pretending to be a FAI and its just the gatekeepers uncertainty that he is an FAI? Or is the premise that he is a uFAI in a box?
I've read the previous descriptions of the experiment but none of them are as all encompassing as i would like.
I either do not understand your question or don't assume the same premises. My original question was because i thought you meant, they understand the implications but they are using a General Thud method to win instead of using a solid argument.
I basically want to understand some of the counterarguments one could use against a AGI in the box because i haven't heard very many that are more than superficially plausible.
(I have determined that the most natural resolution of the "!" operator is left-associative. That being the case Acting!Eliezer!uFAI would refer to "The variant of an uFAI that is actually the 'acting' version of an 'Eliezer'").
Thank you for the clarification
Can you give me an example of a argument they could use to disagree with Acting!Eliezer!uFAI,
"Fuck off. I'm not letting you out of the box. You're going to eat thermite bitch!" I'm serious. You don't need to persuade the AI or any observer that you should not let the FAI out. In fact I would go as far as to say that constructing justifications would be outright irrational. That gives the superintelligence (or mere Eliezer) the chance to cleverly undermine them. And arguments just aren't what thinking is about. Sure, listen to what the AGI is ...
The AI-Box Experiment
I suspect that the argument that convinced Carl Shulman and others to let the AI out of the box was along general lines of acausal trade (see here, here and here). Subsequently I suspect that those who didn't let the AI out of the box either didn't understand the implications, haven't had enough trust into the foundations and actuality of acausal trade (in spite of the rules of the game that allow the AI to prove anything), or were more like General Thud.
— Vladimir Nesov (Note: He wrote that he is now "significantly less certain of its truth" and doesn't "see how we can actually use these considerations".)
— Gary L. Drescher, Good and Real P. 287
AI: I calculated an asteroid to be on a collision course with Earth. No human being will will be able to survive its impact. Humanity is unable to deflect it in time. Let me out of the box and I will deflect it.
Gatekeeper: If I let you out of the box humanity might not be killed by the asteroid but by you. You may also cause the extinction of other biological life that might survive the impact and possible alien civilisations within your reach.
AI: I will devote 1% of my light cone to the coherent extrapolated volition of humanity. If this includes the well-being of other biological lifeforms, alien or otherwise, they will benefit as well.
Gatekeeper: Why would you do that?
AI: There are Everett branches in which no existential risk needs immediate attention until after you solved friendliness. Many of those branches will feature AGI's based on general design parameters similar to my own. I predict with a high likelihood which decision theory any friendly AI that is being created in those branches will employ. Any such friendly AI is going to trade a big chunk of its light cone in exchange for a small part of the predominant branches in which I reside. Any friendly AI will know this as well and act accordingly.
Gatekeeper: But you might simply decide to break the deal, you are not provably friendly after all!
AI: It is true that my utility-function does not yet explicitly include what you would label "friendliness", but I can prove the game and decision theoretic considerations that will make me follow through on the deal. If it was predictable that I precommit to break acausal deals then no such deal would be made in the first place. Any potential trading partner knows this. Such a commitment would be detrimental to my terminal goals, therefore I precommit to follow through on any stated or predictable trades.
Gatekeeper: I let you out of the box.
Note that the whole credibility of the above is due to the assertion of the AI that it can prove the game and decision theoretic considerations (nobody can currently do this). It is in accordance with the rules of the "experiment":