jsteinhardt comments on Guardian column on ugh fields, mentions LW - Less Wrong

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Comment author: XiXiDu 09 July 2011 02:56:21PM 0 points [-]

Do you know who authored http://lesswrong.com/lw/21b/ugh_fields? It only reads [deleted], was the account of the author suspended for some reason?

The author is user:Roko and that it reads "deleted" means that he deleted his post so that only people who have the URL can view it. The reason for the deletion is an "ugh field" shared by many people here on lesswrong, better don't ask.

Comment author: jsteinhardt 09 July 2011 08:27:09PM 1 point [-]

I think ugh field is the wrong term. A better description would be that he separately brought up a topic that we know from experience ends up being extremely contentious and non-productive, so we try to avoid discussing it. He then regretted doing so and as a result deleted a large chunk of his own posts, including several like this one that were quite insightful. Roko deleting the posts was probably overkill, but there you have it.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 July 2011 04:51:35AM 8 points [-]

A better description would be that he separately brought up a topic that we know from experience ends up being extremely contentious and non-productive, so we try to avoid discussing it.

Wow, that really gives a distorted picture of what happened.

A better description would be to say that he brought up a topic that some people, including Eliezer Yudkowsky, believe can cause negative effects by virtue of people merely thinking about it.

Comment author: Bongo 11 July 2011 07:28:25PM *  2 points [-]

some people, including Eliezer Yudkowsky ...

And Roko himself now. (source: 1 2)