lessdazed comments on Physical and Mental Behavior - Less Wrong

48 Post author: Yvain 10 July 2011 08:20PM

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Comment author: lessdazed 12 July 2011 11:43:47AM 15 points [-]

Sadly, psychology has not yet advanced to the point where we can give people electric shocks for thinking things

So long as one could convince someone psychology (or magic) has advanced to the point where we can give people electric shocks for thinking things, one could possibly trick people into monitoring their thoughts themselves.

"So, let's test this out. Practice thinking of a jar of pennies and we'll see if it triggers the shock." "OK." bzzzzzzz. "Ow, that hurt!" "Brace yourself next time. It helps. Try now. Brace, but don't think of the pennies." "OK." "Now think of the pennies." bzzzzzzzz "@#$%! You're right, bracing helped a lot" "Good. A few more tests to make sure it works, then you go wear it around all day."

The subject then braces every time he thinks of the pennies, which the monitor detects.

Neither deception nor electric shocks are really necessary, of course. People very often change what mental associations they have without them.

Comment author: Unnamed 13 July 2011 02:20:20AM 5 points [-]

You've just reinvented the bogus pipeline. New and improved (now with electric shocks!).

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 July 2011 10:01:07PM 7 points [-]

Upvoted for evil brilliance.

Comment author: Clippy 12 July 2011 10:09:20PM 4 points [-]

I thought evil was bad?

Comment author: XFrequentist 12 July 2011 10:18:45PM *  3 points [-]

In the sense that you expect evil to decrease the number of paperclips in the universe, or in some parochial human definition of the word "bad"?

Comment author: Clippy 12 July 2011 10:39:02PM 5 points [-]

The second -- my confusion was about the human's appraisal of evil as meriting upvoting.