Nisan comments on Ego syntonic thoughts and values - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nisan 15 July 2011 09:55:27PM 0 points [-]

It sounds like you're describing two problems: Both sides renege on compromises, and neither side will tolerate ceding control as part of a compromise.

Do both sides have both of these problems?

Comment author: [deleted] 15 July 2011 10:00:36PM 0 points [-]

As far as I can tell, yes.

Comment author: Nisan 15 July 2011 10:35:06PM 1 point [-]

If I were modeling your sides as two different people, I'd say their behavior is understandable because they have a history of noncooperation. If I were tasked with mediating between two people who don't trust each other, I'd start with very low-stakes exercises.

A practitioner of IFS has told me that when they make a long-term plan that requires a subagent to sit dormant for a long while, they have to periodically perform small favors or gestures for the subagent in order to maintain the subagent's trust.

So: Though your experience sounds different from mine, it sounds like at least one of your problems is the familiar problem of your selves not trusting each other.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 July 2011 10:58:27PM 1 point [-]

If I were tasked with mediating between two people who don't trust each other, I'd start with very low-stakes exercises.

I have previously attempted "small" deals, say planning ~1 hour/day and leaving the rest unmodified. I will try even smaller stakes, on the scale of minutes.

One problem is that I'm very well aware that this is a trap. I know that if I get working deals, I would immediately start escalating them. Hm, you might be unto something with regard to trust issues.