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Comment author: Will_Newsome 25 July 2011 09:46:45AM 2 points [-]

Some can. Mitchell Porter, for example, saw which philosophical threads I was pulling on, even if he disagreed with them. (I disagree with them! I'm not describing my beliefs or something, I'm making an attempt at steel manning religionesque beliefs into something that I can actually engage with instead of immediately throwing them out the window because one of my cached pieces of wisdom is that whenever someone talks about "souls" they're obviously confused and need a lecture on Bayes' theorem.)

Comment author: shokwave 25 July 2011 01:50:02PM 1 point [-]

whenever someone talks about "souls" they're obviously confused

I believe this, and I might as well explain why. Every concept that legitimately falls under the blanket term "souls" is wrong - and every other term that soul proponents attempt to include (such as consciousness, say) is strictly better described by words that do not carry a bunch of wrong baggage.

To my mind, attempting to talk about the introspective nature of consciousness (which is what I got as the gist of your post) by using the word soul and religious terminology is like trying to discuss the current state of American politics with someone who insists on calling the President "Fuhrer".