steven0461 comments on Those who aspire to perfection - Less Wrong

-15 Post author: Will_Newsome 23 July 2011 10:24PM

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Comment author: steven0461 23 July 2011 03:42:42AM *  1 point [-]

Could you expand on what you mean by the difference between aspiring rationalists and aspiring aspiring "rationalists"? I don't think we have many people who say things like "I aspire to be an aspiring rationalist", either truly or falsely.

Comment author: lessdazed 23 July 2011 04:01:24AM 3 points [-]

Perhaps this.

Comment author: steven0461 23 July 2011 04:38:37AM *  0 points [-]

Something like that sounds plausible, but wouldn't many of those who were trying to try also falsely claim that they were actually trying? If so, what separates these "aspiring aspirings" from the "false aspirings"?

Comment author: lessdazed 23 July 2011 04:41:42AM *  0 points [-]

Also this.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 23 July 2011 07:47:50AM *  1 point [-]

They don't say that, but it's what they do. (As you noted this is different from falsely aspiring, which is not doing much of anything.) That's my assertion-without-evidence, anyway.

Let me try again: Group 1 understands the Void and chases it, Group 2 understands the Void and doesn't chase it, Group 3 doesn't understand the Void but chases something vaguely like it, Group 4 doesn't understand the Void and doesn't chase something vaguely like it. "Understand" is intentionally vague here and doesn't imply a full understanding, but I assert that there's a somewhat sharp and meaningful discontinuity.

Comment author: byrnema 24 July 2011 03:09:57AM 0 points [-]

What's the Void? Maybe I don't know about it.

Comment author: steven0461 24 July 2011 03:19:57AM 0 points [-]

It's the twelfth virtue.

Comment author: byrnema 24 July 2011 03:41:51AM 1 point [-]

Thanks. So it's a good thing. Something like empiricism or truth and being purposeful and honest in meeting your goals rather than getting distracted.

Why is it called 'the Void'?

When I read the Virtues a long time ago, I thought it meant the concept of 'quality' I read about in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. But now I don't suppose such a Platonic concept could possibly have been intended.