MichaelVassar comments on The Benefits of Rationality? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 31 March 2009 12:04:41PM *  22 points [-]

All this stuff about "Something to Protect" and "Rationalists Should Win" is all nice and well. And Eliezer's point that grounding rationalism in some real-world need ensures that we don't enter affective death spirals around some particular less-than-optimal rational method, is well-taken.

But dammit, truth for the sake of truth is okay too!

I want to know how to become better at certain things, but that's not the main reason I'm on here. Have you ever had all the wires connected to your computer all tangled up, and it's not really making anything that much harder to use, but it just gets on your nerves until you have to stop what you're doing and spend however long it takes trying to untangle all of them and put them in nice little lines? That's how my brain feels all the time. Reading Overcoming Bias helped me untangle some of those wires.

Of course, if I didn't then take advantage of my new clarity to advance some of my other values, you'd have to wonder whether I'd really learned anything. But that wasn't the main reason I came here, and it's not the main reason I stay.

...and judging by how much time people here spend on Newcomb-like problems, then unless you have some really unusual day jobs I'm guessing I'm not alone.

PS: If you think rationality's important for succeeding at business, and I prove to you that great-looking hair is a greater contributor to success in business than knowledge of Bayescraft, would you stop reading Less Wrong and start reading hairstylist blogs? Would you recommend other people do so?

Comment author: MichaelVassar 31 March 2009 05:03:03PM 4 points [-]

I'd sure appreciate exact info on the monetary cost/benefit breakdown for more expensively styled hair.
OTOH, isn't that an instance of trying to use rationality to win as well as one of trying to use great hair to win? Rationality will very rarely win directly.
It definitely won't win by failing to go meta and not telling us to spend some of our time on anything else, but if it looks like it's telling us that and we don't win it seems silly to blame it rather than ourselves for using it wrong or making it an idol.

Comment author: Yvain 31 March 2009 06:37:27PM 6 points [-]

I agree that it's rational to seek better hair if better hair leads to your goals. I'm trying to point out an inconsistency: that if you claim to be after success in business, and you spend a lot of time reading Less Wrong but very little time worrying over your hair, then either you're not being as rational as you think or you're not as focused on success in business as you think.

I further wonder if some people who read this will make a token attempt to consider getting nice haircuts, not because they're really after real-world success but because they want to be able to continue telling themselves credibly that they're really after real-world success.

Comment author: ciphergoth 31 March 2009 10:10:24PM 0 points [-]

If you are ambitious for money and power, and you are not already obsessed with your looks, http://biasandbelief.pbwiki.com/Halo-Effects-of-Attractiveness

(I have great hair, thank you for asking :-) )