Raemon comments on Help me transition to human society! - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 25 July 2011 05:26:26PM *  -1 points [-]

Eliezer absolutely has the kind of sense of humor that might compel him to make humorous self-referential alts, and both the character incarnations are ones that he created in the first place (I think. I'm assuming he came up with the paperclip maximizer? In any case he popularized it).

I don't think that makes him more than 50% likely to be Clippy and/or Quirrell, but I think it makes him dramatically more likely than any other given existing less-wronger.

Comment author: FAWS 25 July 2011 05:39:08PM 4 points [-]

Quirrell is a possibility, but Clippy is not clever enough to be Eliezer IMO. p<0.005

Comment author: Clippy 25 July 2011 05:44:37PM 9 points [-]

I agree that I'm not "Eliezer", but let me ask you this: how many paperclips has Eliezer made or caused to be made? More or less than me? Now, which of the two is more clever?

Comment author: FAWS 25 July 2011 06:02:42PM *  8 points [-]

To be more specific, if Eliezer were to portray a paperclip maximizer the portrayed character would be more unconventional and appear less similar to average human psychology. Supposing Clippy to be a fictional character the manner of the portrayal of that character is not as clever as it would be if Eliezer were responsible. I didn't mean to comment on the apparent intelligence of the poster/portrayed character Clippy (I would have used the word intelligent instead of clever if I had).

Comment author: wedrifid 25 July 2011 08:28:13PM 5 points [-]

To be more specific, if Eliezer were to portray a paperclip maximizer the portrayed character would be more unconventional and appear less similar to average human psychology.

Definitely. I actually suspect Eliezer would have much more difficulty playing "average intelligence person roleplaying a paperclip maximiser" than he would creating an unconventional, incisive, paperclipper persona.

Comment author: Raemon 25 July 2011 09:27:14PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, this sells me on it. I abandon my theory.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 July 2011 08:24:39PM *  6 points [-]

I agree that I'm not "Eliezer", but let me ask you this: how many paperclips has Eliezer made or caused to be made? More or less than me?

To be honest I expect Eliezer has made more. Roleplaying on lesswrong maybe caused a few clips to be created due to priming effects. Eliezer's extensive blogging on rationality hopefully improved the economy slightly. The latter has a more powerful influence on paperclip production.

Come to think of it without Eliezer's writing "User:Clippy" would never existed.

Comment author: Raemon 25 July 2011 06:03:10PM 0 points [-]

Hmm. Maybe.