hairyfigment comments on On the unpopularity of cryonics: life sucks, but at least then you die - Less Wrong

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Comment author: hairyfigment 29 July 2011 10:39:52PM 4 points [-]

If you are really indifferent to status, you can easily get enough food, housing, and medical care to survive by sheer freeloading. This is true even in the U.S.,

I don't know how you're using the word "easily", then. Do you classify all forms of social interaction as easy?

Comment author: Vladimir_M 29 July 2011 10:50:27PM *  2 points [-]

Well, "easy" is clearly a subjective judgment, and admittedly, I have no relevant personal experience. However, it is evident that large numbers of people do manage to survive from charity and the welfare state without any employment, and many of them don't seem to invest any special efforts or talents in this endeavor.

In any case, my original arguments hold even if we consider only rich countries with strong welfare states, in which it really is easy, in every reasonable sense of the term, to survive by freeloading. These certainly hold as examples of societies where no work is necessary to obtain food, housing, medical care, and even some discretionary income, and yet status concerns still motivate the overwhelming majority of people to work hard.

Comment author: nazgulnarsil 31 July 2011 08:07:40AM 1 point [-]

this seems very difficult if you aren't a member of a protected class. can a young white healthy male freeload easily?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 31 July 2011 03:36:23PM 4 points [-]

I don't know about race, but I did read a piece by a young man who viewed homelessness as a sort of urban camping. He didn't use drugs and he didn't beg-- he found enough odd jobs.

Comment author: jhuffman 17 August 2011 05:30:07PM *  5 points [-]

Ten years ago I read a "news of the wierd" story about a young homeless man in silicon valley. He earned something like $90K a year working as a junior programmer or some such occupation. He slept under a bridge, but had a bank account, mailbox, cell phone, laptop and gym subscription. He worked out and showered at the gym every morning before work. He socked away lots of money and spent a lot of his free time surfing the internet at a coffee shop or other hang out. The reason the story got picked up is that his parents or someone in his family was trying to get him committed for psychiatric treatment. Its more bold and daring than most people but that behavior in and of itself doesn't really sound crazy to me.

Comment author: Desrtopa 17 August 2011 06:07:02PM 4 points [-]

A long time friend of mine wrote an article for the New York Times about her boyfriend's decision to become homeless.