SilasBarta comments on On the unpopularity of cryonics: life sucks, but at least then you die - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SilasBarta 01 August 2011 07:35:49PM *  12 points [-]

Rephrasing it as my favorite argument...

"Hey, what's that dorky necklace you're wearing?"
Oh, this? Well, you see, it turned out I was born with a fatal disease, and this is my best shot at overcoming it.
"That necklace will arrest the progress of a fatal disease?"
Yes, definitely, if a few plausible assumptions turn out right.
"How much did the necklace cost?"
Oh, about $28,000.
"And what disease is this that you can somehow fight with a $28,000 necklace?"
Mortality.

"But ... but ... that's not a disease!!!"
Looks like someone gets tripped up by definitions a little too easily...
Comment author: Kingreaper 19 August 2011 10:36:25AM 1 point [-]

Your line "Yes, definitely, if a few plausible assumptions turn out right. " is where most people will be put off.

It strikes of dishonesty, presumably to yourself. You're saying "definitely" and then clarifying that's it not actually definite. Which indicates that you're not being honest, you're trying to give an incorrect impression. At which point, your idea of what is plausible becomes entirely untrustworthy.

Which for a person desperate to find a way to overcome a fatal disease is commonplace.

Comment author: soreff 19 August 2011 03:48:25PM *  2 points [-]

I agree with what you say, but the rest of the discussion could go essentially unchanged if the line

Yes, definitely, if a few plausible assumptions turn out right.

were replaced with

"Perhaps, my best estimate of the odds are 1% or so"

(which would be my response in an analogous discussion)

I think that what seems to me to be the main point of the dialog,

"And what disease is this that you can somehow fight with a $28,000 necklace?"

Mortality.

"But ... but ... that's not a disease!!!"

Looks like someone gets tripped up by definitions a little too easily...

is fairly insensitive to a wide range of possible odds for cryonics working.