Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on On the unpopularity of cryonics: life sucks, but at least then you die - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 August 2011 03:48:54AM 12 points [-]

True evil geniuses don't reveal their intentions openly. (They also don't post this blog comment.)

Comment author: Pavitra 02 August 2011 04:27:27AM 7 points [-]
Comment author: mikedarwin 02 August 2011 07:54:48AM *  4 points [-]

LOL! You don't have to be a genius to be evil and, speaking from long, hard and repeated experience, you don't have to be a genius to a great deal of harm - just being evil is plenty sufficient. This is especially true when the person who has ill intentions also has disproportionately greater knowledge than you do, or than you can easily get access to in the required time frame. The classic example has been the used car salesman. But better examples are probably the kinds of situations we all encounter from time to time when we get taken advantage of.

I don't know much about computers, so I necessarily rely on others. In an ideal world, I could take all the time necessary to make sure that the guy who is selling me hardware or software that I urgently need is giving me good advice and giving me the product that he says he is. But we don't live in an ideal world. Many people have this kind of problem with medical treatment choices, and for the same reasons. Another, related kind of situation, is where the elapsed time between the time you contract for a service and the time you get it is very long. Insurance and pension funds are examples. Lots of mischief there, and thus lots of regulation. It doesn't take evil geniuses in such situations to cause a lot of loss and harm.

And finally, while this may seem incredible, in my experience those few people who are both geniuses and evil, usually tell you exactly what they are about. They may not say, "I intend to torture and kill you," but they very often will tell you with relish how they've tortured others, or about how they are willing to to torture and kill others. The problem for me for way too long was not taking such people seriously. Turns out, they usually are serious; deadly serious.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 August 2011 08:23:19PM 13 points [-]

You don't have to be a genius to be evil

Right, I'm just saying, that's how I know it's not the real Voldemort posting.

in my experience those few people who are both geniuses and evil, usually tell you exactly what they are about. They may not say, "I intend to torture and kill you," but they very often will tell you with relish how they've tortured others,

We may have different standards for "genius"; I don't think I've ever heard of someone who I would classify as both malicious (negated utility function, actually wants to hurt people rather than just being selfish) and brilliant. I also doubt that any such person exists nowadays, because, you see, we're not all dead.

Comment author: lessdazed 03 August 2011 07:45:41AM 15 points [-]

that's how I know it's not the real Voldemort posting.

That's how you know it's not Voldemort posting?

Comment author: MixedNuts 03 August 2011 06:53:36AM 10 points [-]

A person who greatly enjoys abducting, torturing, and killing a few people every couple months is plausible, whereas a person who wants to maximize death and pain is much less so. A genius of the former kind does not kill us all.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 August 2011 09:15:21AM 5 points [-]

The people who cause the most damage do it because they have disproportionate power rather than disproportionate knowledge.